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Thread: 2019 4frnt Renegade Changes?
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09-12-2019, 01:58 PM #476Registered User
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I needed a new ski. New 191s getting shifts. Skis are hopefully going to be with me a while so I'm sweating the bullshit like white blue or black for the bindings
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09-12-2019, 08:10 PM #477
if it were me, with that top sheet, I'd go white for sure. black would be second choice. Blue would clash pretty hard on those. I'd also get the cheapest ones, but for same price across the board color matters.
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09-12-2019, 08:39 PM #478
Great day, Rens arrived. Love the top sheet texture and luminescent bases.
Appear to be of shred worthy construction.
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09-17-2019, 11:55 AM #479
Anyone get a pair of 2019/20 Hojis in hand yet? Curious if any perceivable differences from last few years (I believe it should be identical). Will be ordering a pair soon. Currently on 186 black/green Renegades (previously had OG 2010 raven graphic) and 187 Pilsner graphic 2013 Hojis. New Hoji + Shifts is going to be my one pair of skis going forward.
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11-04-2019, 04:34 AM #480Registered User
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I seem to remeber a while back 4FRNT sold some skis through Sportpursuit.com
That would be very helpful for us Euro dudes that don't want to pay extra on shipping and import duties!!!
Any thoughts on doing that again??? Please!Skiah for life
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11-04-2019, 05:00 AM #481Registered User
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11-04-2019, 10:37 AM #482Registered User
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Hmmm. Yeah just thought this was an easy way around that problem.... I’m sure there’s a good market here for Ravens, Hojis, Revs., Devs and Enthaynes. And Sportpursuit seems like a pretty good outlet to get to the target audience, but obviously don’t know what the cost would be to 4Frnt in doing so.
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11-15-2019, 06:46 AM #483Registered User
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Hi,
I found the beginning part of this thread on the various rocker/Camber profiles really interesting. What’s the general consensus from those who have skied a few different models (not just 4FRNT) on what’s the right amount of rev. Camber for an all mountain purpose ski? Is it more flat than true reverse?
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11-15-2019, 02:59 PM #484
Any rocker profile shots of the new skis?
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12-07-2019, 07:40 PM #485
Anyone been out on them?
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12-11-2019, 04:41 PM #486Registered User
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I skied my new '19/20 184cm Rens back to back with my old '13/14 186cm White Room Rens, touring in 12"-20" fresh snow, below treeline with early season obstacles (partially buried rocks, logs, etc.). Both generations handle similarly in soft snow, but the new setup is way lighter for the skin up (although this has as much to do with lighter skins/bindings as the skis themselves). Also, the new skis are far easier to turn in crust/crud (likely due to much more rocker). The old Rens are basically flat-camber, touching at two points near the tip and tail with <1mm between the bases at center. The new ones touch at one point under the bindings with several mm separation a foot or two out from center.
I always thought of Renegades as the DH bike of skis - the new ones like to straightline over boulders, fallen trees, drops... whatever... just like the old pair. They're more like a carbon Demo 8 than a Demo 9: sure, the Demo 9 is bigger, heavier, burlier, and more iconic... but very few people would actually prefer to ride one if given the choice.
Sorry if this posts twice... my first try seemed to have failed.
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12-12-2019, 04:48 AM #487Registered User
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12-12-2019, 06:21 PM #488
Good short, on point review. Sounds like they’d be a good touring ski. Still glad I hoarded 3 pair of the old white room skis. But might look at these for a pow touring ski in the future. Graphics this year are horrible on almost every ski in the line up
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12-14-2019, 05:59 PM #489
Hoji 187 on the way.
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12-18-2019, 11:37 AM #490
Seems odd that the weight of this years renegade is same as last years, even after beefing up the core and last year thinning out the base and edges ??
Anyone have any true weights?
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12-18-2019, 07:38 PM #491
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12-26-2019, 02:23 PM #492Registered User
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What's the main difference between the Renegades and Hojis? Is it mostly just waist width?
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12-26-2019, 02:28 PM #493I drink it up
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12-26-2019, 03:06 PM #494Registered User
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I'm honestly guessing that this would be an oversight. At this point, they are likely posting the specs in August before they have the skis in hand... That being said, I seem to remember last years coming in a little lighter than anticipated. Which makes sense given what happened. So would guess that the stated weight plus up to 75 grams would be accurate. Most companies seem to be a little heavier than listed weight.
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12-26-2019, 03:16 PM #495
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12-28-2019, 10:41 PM #496Registered User
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Update. Build quality is better than last years but still terrible. I'm off 4frnt now. You can find me back on the on3p page
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12-29-2019, 07:51 AM #497Registered User
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12-29-2019, 09:18 PM #498Registered User
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I copped a tiny edge compression which was fine but it seems to have been the thread that kept coming. It's now delammed the rail 3 inches along the ski, it's like they didn't use any glue.
The base material is super soft as well It even bruises it's so soft.
Obviously nothing is as tough as on3p but the new 4frnts are not even up to the same standard as other corporation skis.
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12-29-2019, 09:55 PM #499
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12-30-2019, 07:02 AM #500
Please.
There used to be a cult developing around the Renegade. I bought the 2013 Owl (#845, and signed, as they were White Room) and they are still pristine. They're amazing. They have well over 100 days on them but that's all in JP forests. Little struggle, I guess. It's a delicate sport at this point.
But... the camber/rocker line is still perfect. The ski is still perfect. My bases have some abuse, but I do ollie trees. So, there's that.
Why am I reading about shitty production quality two years in a row after a shift in production lines?
The Renegade WAS A CULT SKI!!!
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