What gravel/endurance roadie for me?

**bagtagley** · 03-27-2018, 09:48 AM

I was looking at that Stuntman last night. That checks a lot of my boxes for cheap.

**Capatain** · 03-27-2018, 10:30 AM

Been in the same market.
Relative to the OP's first list, I looked at all of those, then found the Trek Checkpoint:https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...-bikes/c/B546/

Over the Domane you gain clearance for 700x45 tires, but loose the front Iso-whatever.

Thoughts??

**mcski** · 03-27-2018, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by The Suit

I have convinced myself that I need an Open UP, even though I've never ridden one. They're not cheap, though.

The Diverge looks pretty good, too.

Two of my buddies just got this bike w the big cushy tires. It is pricey as fuck but their new found off-road proficiency in this type of bike has me sold. Crazy Expensive but great bikes

**#######** · 03-27-2018, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by bagtagley

I was looking at that Stuntman last night. That checks a lot of my boxes for cheap.

I ran 2.1" WTB nano's on my AWOL for a bit and found them to be overkill and rather slow on the tarmac. 42mm gives plenty of cushion on fire roads/not-to-rocky singletrack yet is still plenty fast on the road, just sayin'.

**bagtagley** · 03-27-2018, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by sickturd

I ran 2.1" WTB nano's on my AWOL for a bit and found them to be overkill and rather slow on the tarmac. 42mm gives plenty of cushion on fire roads/not-to-rocky singletrack yet is still plenty fast on the road, just sayin'.

Agreed. But, I love that I'd have the option to run an almost 2" tire on the existing 29" rims...even if I never did it. I'm also obsessed with steel.

**doebedoe** · 03-27-2018, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by bagtagley

Agreed. But, I love that I'd have the option to run an almost 2" tire on the existing 29" rims...even if I never did it. I'm also obsessed with steel.

Stuntman is your jam. 631. 50s. Dropper post. Hilarious 70s paint job.

**Flyoverland Captive** · 03-27-2018, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by doebedoe

Huh -- Raleigh doesn't list a $1700 Willard anymore. The most expensive is $1300 - https://www.raleighusa.com/road/adventure . With the easily available corporate discount its $1140. Plus what coupons / ActiveJunky you can stack on top of it.

If no camp/tour planned, bikes like the Willard are a good choice.

The one he has is closest to the Willard 3 (1 x 11 SRAM). I'm not sure where he got the MSRP figure from, but I know he got it on prodeal for $800. I'll know more this afternoon when I go look at it and drink his beer.

I went down the Raleigh rabbit-hole; the Willard 4 has me intrigued, for only $1300:https://www.raleighusa.com/willard-150706

**The Suit** · 03-27-2018, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by mcski

Two of my buddies just got this bike w the big cushy tires. It is pricey as fuck but their new found off-road proficiency in this type of bike has me sold. Crazy Expensive but great bikes

I probably didn't need to hear that.

**bagtagley** · 03-27-2018, 01:04 PM

It should be no surprise at this point, but for $1300 I'd be all over that Stuntman +$100 for a set of 40mm tires. If I hadn't used up all my spouse points, and money, for a camping setup, I would have already ordered. I dig my Haanjo, but there's enough I want to change to be worth a cheap upgrade like that.

Edit: Just noticed it's 26 lbs. Kinda porky. That could be a killer for some.

**#######** · 03-27-2018, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by bagtagley

Agreed. But, I love that I'd have the option to run an almost 2" tire on the existing 29" rims...even if I never did it. I'm also obsessed with steel.

Oh, I hear ya on the steel... CF frames are cool for TDF super bikes but for the average rider it's way too spensive. I thought the new holy aero Canyon Grail
was a pubey joke when i first saw it.

**jamal** · 03-27-2018, 04:23 PM

That's why I've only bought one bike brand new and it was discounted old stock at basically half price.

Think I'm going to have to break down and shell out for a brand new MTB pretty soon though. I do get a discount at my shop but that one is going to be aluminum. And I might currently have 3 carbon bikes.

**Flyoverland Captive** · 03-27-2018, 05:07 PM

... So my friend's Raleigh Willard 2 is a 2016, and has the same build as the 2018 Willard 4. Nice bike! It's now mine for $650.

**Groomer Gambler** · 03-29-2018, 10:14 AM

Went with an All-City Spacehorse 2yrs ago and kinda wish I had waited until now for more tire clearance, disc brakes, etc, lighter fork, etc. So many good options these daze!

If I had ~$2,000 it would be a toss up between a gorilla monsoon or Cosmic stallion depending on how much offroading I'd do.

Check out Bombtrack cycles too, they have a few great cross models around $1500

**mntlion** · 03-29-2018, 10:20 AM

this might help your decision as well

https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mt...e-buy-already/

**Skistack** · 03-29-2018, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Capatain

Been in the same market.
Relative to the OP's first list, I looked at all of those, then found the Trek Checkpoint:https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...-bikes/c/B546/

Over the Domane you gain clearance for 700x45 tires, but loose the front Iso-whatever.

Thoughts??

Outside just posted a review, less than impressed compared to the Domane.

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