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03-19-2018, 09:48 PM #1Registered User
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Going shorter in a wider ski for powder, narrow terrain and dense trees?
I notice in most line ups whenever a ski has additional width, it also often gets additional length...
Does it make sense to drop a size down in length for an overly wide ski... Something between 115-120 underfoot with a lot of rocker? If I want a surfy, playful powder ski that will spend most of it's time in powder filled dense trees, chutes, and steep/narrow terrain?
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03-19-2018, 09:53 PM #2
Your font color sucks
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03-20-2018, 07:51 AM #3
yes,
to both you
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03-20-2018, 08:07 AM #4
Depends on the ski.
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03-20-2018, 08:15 AM #5Registered User
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Keep in mind that ski length does not equate to how quickly they turn as you change from model to model. When I want a ski that will turn quickly I look more at the shape and rocker profile than the length. Shorter skis will have more tip dive and have a harder time getting floating at slow speeds, neither of which are good for trees. The general principle that a 'tree' ski will be shorter than your charger setup makes sense but only within a given model. My 190cm squad 7's are WAY better for trees and tight terrain than my old 177cm Volkl Mantra's.
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03-20-2018, 08:15 AM #6Registered User
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I ride a short(er) Protest on deeper days, the entries to a lot of my shots are extremely tight, and there's no way to slip into them with my regular skis, and you sure as hell can't straight run the entry. I like being able to quickly shut down too, which is easier on the shorter boards. YMMV
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03-20-2018, 08:48 AM #7
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03-20-2018, 08:59 AM #8
Why length in tight places? I have a short (174 Meier Doc) for the east, and they work pretty well at tight western mountains like Taos. I see no need for Rocker, though, but, that's me. I want all the running length I can get at that size to hold hardpack and ice when I have to.
They are a pain in the ass, and knee, getting back to lifts on groomers, though.Last edited by Benny Profane; 03-20-2018 at 10:42 AM.
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03-20-2018, 10:05 AM #9
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03-20-2018, 10:24 AM #10
For me a 178 Lotus 120 spoon is money in fresh snow and EC trees, it's got plenty of balls to ski the entire hill and loads of maneuverability in tight places. I'd have the 189's if I still lived in Jackson
I'm 5'6 so YMMVLast edited by ticketchecker; 03-20-2018 at 12:57 PM.
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03-20-2018, 10:33 AM #11
I'd try snowboarding.
"timberridge is terminally vapid" -- a fortune cookie in Yueyang
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03-20-2018, 10:39 AM #12
"It depends"...The pilot and attitude/confidence also comes into play.
My Keepers are massive boards at 189, but turn quick and plow through or over anything it seems. While heli skiing and per recommendation, they provided 177cm or so K2 Pinnacles which was about the same width as the Keepers (120ish IIRC) and I had a great time on those, too. It took a little time to get used to less fore and aft (4+") compared to what I was used too.Best regards, Terry
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03-20-2018, 10:40 AM #13
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03-20-2018, 10:41 AM #14
Not really. A little, but, compared to some, no.
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03-20-2018, 10:43 AM #15Registered User
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I was considering at going a length down in the rustler 11 or Backland 117. Than what I'd normally take for a big mountain/all mountain ski. Or Bent Chetler
Last edited by Kulharin; 03-20-2018 at 11:05 AM.
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03-20-2018, 10:46 AM #16
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03-20-2018, 12:10 PM #17
Trees up, ho’s down
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03-20-2018, 12:39 PM #18
I have Atomic Automatic 117's at 185. The longest ski I've owned since college (205 cm Kneissl Reisenslaloms) and the easiest to maneuver in tight spaces. Sidecut, rocker/camber profile and stiffness matter a lot more than length.
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03-20-2018, 12:53 PM #19
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03-20-2018, 02:03 PM #20Registered User
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03-20-2018, 02:06 PM #21
Ah, you got me on that one. Yeah, it's 186cm
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03-20-2018, 02:30 PM #22Registered User
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Other people may have had a different experience but for me 10cm-20cm of extra length has never been an issue. Any chute that's narrow enough that you cannot get sideways it to narrow to really turn much and you need to straight-line. Basically if you want skis for tight terrain something turny with lots of rocker and likely soft is what matters. Length is not the factor there has never been an instance where I've said '5cm less in front of my boot and I would have been able to make it though there. If you want good skis for tight terrain in good snow buy something like JJ's, Wailers, Opus', Pescado, Super 7's, of whatever else fits that mold.
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03-20-2018, 02:48 PM #23Registered User
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Not just fatter and more rocker -- more taper will make things easier to swing around. Think 5-point design like a Fatypus, JJ, etc.
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03-20-2018, 04:35 PM #24Registered User
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03-20-2018, 04:54 PM #25Registered User
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