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    Isn’t that called CrossFit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    Military pay is pretty good. Friends kid is 21 and got 100k re-sign bonus. He's a nuke:

    Note on Special Retention Bonuses: Some specialties are eligible to receive retention bonuses of more than $90,000. These are usually limited to those in the medical field, aviators, and those in select nuclear specialties.
    That is an incredibly small minority of the .mil world. Overall .mil pay is not so hot. A typical Army Specialist (E-4) makes about $28K per year at the 4 year mark. Sure there are allowances sometimes for deployment, hazardous duty, special skills, housing, etc... benefits are relatively good compared to most low paying jobs. But let's not pretend that most military are well paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skifishbum View Post
    are you sure i got you as more of a sea bee or pyscho ops
    than 11b
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    That is an incredibly small minority of the .mil world. Overall .mil pay is not so hot. A typical Army Specialist (E-4) makes about $28K per year at the 4 year mark. Sure there are allowances sometimes for deployment, hazardous duty, special skills, housing, etc... benefits are relatively good compared to most low paying jobs. But let's not pretend that most military are well paid.
    well after that experience every other job ive done has been a cake walk and knowing no matter how fucked up that day or job
    or boss is
    it aint green weenie in der poopenhausen fucked up
    and you can go all
    and there aint shit they can really do
    so much like being a ski or hudge flyfishing bum
    im rich bitch
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    thats ^^ 15 bucks an hr ish not huge money but compared to a job at the mall or convienence store for someone with no education not so bad

    I was just remembering drinking beer with an anesthetist from Alberta, he told us they get more money in that province for operating on obese people he told it like " so punch height & weight into a calculator, if its over 36 ... yeah baby we got a Bimmer ! "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    That is an incredibly small minority of the .mil world. Overall .mil pay is not so hot. A typical Army Specialist (E-4) makes about $28K per year at the 4 year mark. Sure there are allowances sometimes for deployment, hazardous duty, special skills, housing, etc... benefits are relatively good compared to most low paying jobs. But let's not pretend that most military are well paid.
    i am not familiar with military stuff, but don't they get health insurance, housing subsidies (or even straight up housing), education (tech, trade, professional), pension/retirement for time served, and mini perks like access to discounted home/car insurance, car loans, etc

    isn't that why people enlist? because the military takes care of you

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    Quote Originally Posted by acinpdx View Post
    i am not familiar with military stuff, but don't they get health insurance, housing subsidies (or even straight up housing), education (tech, trade, professional), pension/retirement for time served, and mini perks like access to discounted home/car insurance, car loans, etc

    isn't that why people enlist? because the military takes care of you
    Active duty yes you get health insurance. You get base housing (which comes with military housing rules, dorm/bunk living, and inspections) free or a limited housing stipend. You get limited education benefits (GI bill after). Pension/retirement you ONLY get it with 20+ years of service (leave at 18 years and you get NOTHING, and plenty of opportunity to be forced out).

    VA housing loans are a limited thing... but a difficult to impossible thing in any desirable market (many hoops to jump through and many sellers won't accept because of the long lead time when there is a line of no-strings cash offers).

    Insurance is USAA, a private company, that offers rates to military and descendants of USAA members, no not a government or strictly military benefit.

    All of this in exchange for being told where you will live (literally, they can just decide to station you in Alaska or Saudi Arabia because "needs of the military"), what you will do, usually working much longer hours than civilians, and maybe you get to die/get maimed for your country.

    Military service is a sacrifice. Of course there must be a carrot along with it, but don't go pretending the carrot provides enough compensation alone for the sacrifice of most. That is why vets deserve respect because they willing gave more than they got (sometimes infinitely more).

    The "green weenie" that @skifishbum mentioned is real. (I never served but I come from a multigenerational military family, work with vets, and have many friends who served).
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    i ate shrooms and watched red dawn
    never do that again
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    so your just telling us about cutting bait but ya never fished
    rodger that lamo charlies
    brah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    Military service is a sacrifice. Of course there must be a carrot along with it, but don't go pretending the carrot provides enough compensation alone for the sacrifice of most. That is why vets deserve respect because they willing gave more than they got (sometimes infinitely more).
    i did not assume swanky at all...just hear all the time how awful it is, but there had to be some enticements to get people in other than family tradition

    thanks for the reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by skifishbum View Post
    so your just telling us about cutting bait but ya never fished
    rodger that lamo charlies
    brah
    Growing up moving around every time the Air Force decided dad needed to be somewhere else.... and then working in a VA... so yea I just watched people cut bait and saw what happened after the fishing trip.

    Is something I said wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    Active duty yes you get health insurance. You get base housing (which comes with military housing rules, dorm/bunk living, and inspections) free or a limited housing stipend. You get limited education benefits (GI bill after). Pension/retirement you ONLY get it with 20+ years of service (leave at 18 years and you get NOTHING, and plenty of opportunity to be forced out).

    VA housing loans are a limited thing... but a difficult to impossible thing in any desirable market (many hoops to jump through and many sellers won't accept because of the long lead time when there is a line of no-strings cash offers).

    Insurance is USAA, a private company, that offers rates to military and descendants of USAA members, no not a government or strictly military benefit.

    All of this in exchange for being told where you will live (literally, they can just decide to station you in Alaska or Saudi Arabia because "needs of the military"), what you will do, usually working much longer hours than civilians, and maybe you get to die/get maimed for your country.

    Military service is a sacrifice. Of course there must be a carrot along with it, but don't go pretending the carrot provides enough compensation alone for the sacrifice of most. That is why vets deserve respect because they willing gave more than they got (sometimes infinitely more).

    The "green weenie" that @skifishbum mentioned is real. (I never served but I come from a multigenerational military family, work with vets, and have many friends who served).
    Having actually serving active duty in in the Marine Corps my perceptions are a bit less jaded than yours, if military life is so hard people don’t have to sign the contract the entitlement some veterans think they deserve sometimes borders on absurd
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    Quote Originally Posted by acinpdx View Post
    i did not assume swanky at all...just hear all the time how awful it is, but there had to be some enticements to get people in other than family tradition
    The experiences you hear of can be all over the map. Much of comes down to attitude. That's first and foremost what determines of how awful or awesome an enlistment can be. Then there's where you're stationed. That's huge. In the Navy? Whether you're stationed in Pearl Harbor or Newark makes a HUDGE difference. In the Air Force? You could get something fun like Japan, Germany, or Hawaii, or you could be stuck in freaking Minot, Altus, or some other God forsaken place. Again, though, your experiences are what you make of them. I tried to check cool stuff out no matter where I went. Then there's the TDY assignments you'd get. Many get burnt out from doing tour after tour after tour in the ME. That does suck. Some get Guam for a few months to do some chill duty. Some bases are total dumps. Some are all nice and revamped like Charleston or Ramstein. Some squadrons I worked with were full of whiney buttholes. Some were totally well oiled machines with cool peeps all the way around like mine was. SSSOOOOOOO many variables that make the military experience a good or a bad one. Personally, I look back on my years with great fondness. Sure, lots of sucky times with insane hours, total exhaustion, emergencies, combat zone fun, and sweating my nards off in the ME, but overall it kicked ass. Would do it again in a heartbeat. I've even thought about reenlisting, but I think I'm past the age they'd let me back in now. That and my expenses are too high now to support my family on a military paycheck. FML.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acinpdx View Post
    isn't that why people enlist? because the military takes care of you
    Everyone I know who enlisted did it to get a marketable skill/education that they couldn't afford to get as a civilian.

    ETA: Austin's post directly above echoes exactly what my relatives, friends, and coworkers say: it's the luck of the draw, and it's what you make it.

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    i think mandatory enlistment is the way. it would keep us out of wars. the all volunteer army gets sent into action when a mandatory enlist force wouldn't because j q public's child would be on line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBdude View Post
    i think mandatory enlistment is the way. it would keep us out of wars. the all volunteer army gets sent into action when a mandatory enlist force wouldn't because j q public's child would be on line.
    So lets FORCE people to join the military against their will because maybe we'll fight less?

    Do you realize how fucking stupid that sounds, how wasteful, and what an abuse of authority?
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    America is too fat & unhealthy to serve.

    Quote Originally Posted by DBdude View Post
    i think mandatory enlistment is the way. it would keep us out of wars. the all volunteer army gets sent into action when a mandatory enlist force wouldn't because elected officials' and the donor class's children would be on line.
    FIFY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    So lets FORCE people to join the military against their will because maybe we'll fight less?

    Do you realize how fucking stupid that sounds, how wasteful, and what an abuse of authority?
    yep just like germany, the netherlands, etc,

    this country needs to stop fighting bullshit wars. that will happen when every parents kid has a chance of getting maimed and killed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    So lets FORCE people to join the military against their will because maybe we'll fight less?

    Do you realize how fucking stupid that sounds, how wasteful, and what an abuse of authority?
    where is the abuse of authority?

    why should defending your country be voluntary?

    for real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBdude View Post
    yep just like germany, the netherlands, etc,

    this country needs to stop fighting bullshit wars. that will happen when every parents kid has a chance of getting maimed and killed
    So you want the draft to come back... like 1940-1973?

    WWII
    Korea
    Laos
    Lebanon
    Thailand
    Bay of Pigs
    Vietnam
    Dominican Republic
    Bolivia
    Cambodia

    The vast majority of US military casualties occurred during the time when the US has had the draft.

    You want to rely on compelled service and risk to generate political pressure not to engage in conflict. And what are you going to do with an extra 2.5 million soldiers? (2.5 million = 25% of the population 18-19 year olds (fit for service assuming 2 year stints)? Who is going to pay for them? And what about the 7.5 million who are unfit for service?

    Why not rely on existing political sentiments and the requirement that people be willing to sign on to serve?
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    What about only drafting fat people? Anyone with BMI less than 25 is 4F.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    What about only drafting fat people?
    Enough with the Bay of Pigs.

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    Top 4 deadliest wars:
    WWII
    WWI
    Vietnam
    Korea

    All had a draft. (I didn't mention the Civil War... but draft there too).

    Drafts don't prevent wars.
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    Nam was stopped largely due to the draft. Kids get really pissed when classmates are dying for no reason. I really find interesting is that the only war you listed that we won was the one where Congress declared a war. WWII. There is a lot less profit in war when it is one declared by congress. All of those pesky profiteering laws kick in. From what I see, we are a nation formed by was born with war an now warring nation that sells death across the globe as a business model.
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