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02-14-2018, 07:04 PM #1
Ode to the DPS Lotus 138 (and Volant Spatula)
REVERSE CAMBER - REVERSE SIDECUT
Let me tell you about a ski that has chaaaaaaaaaaaaaanged my life. (Imagine me as a street preacher waving around a fat ski).
DPS Lotus 138. It is the shit.
It is really the only ski anyone should be on in soft snow. Even at CO low tide. Why? Because no other ski is more forgiving on breakable crust, rock hits, and shallow snow. It lets you be super light on your feet to avoid/minimize rocks... cool for early season. But the real reason I have them is that there is no better tree ski, no better pow ski, that is also a crud ski. They also turn dust on crust to bottomless.
Sure I rock my EHPs when I want my alpine boots and want to charge hard.
Any other day over about 5/6" I'm on my DPS Lotus 138s, inbounds or not. They make tight trees super fun. They make crud feel like almost untracked. They ski breakable crust like pow. They let you ski longer because they take so much less input. That is why mine are mounted for touring, because you don't need an alpine boot to drive these. they require less boot than traditional ski (more boot doesn't hurt though). They open your beer and make sure your car never runs out of gas!!!
You can be a true soul skier and rip the ski that is the disciple of McConkeys Spatula. Lotus 138. All time best ski ever period.
Drink the koolaid yo! If I could only own two skies at all period, I'd own a DPS Lotus 138 and a something else like a Wailer 112 or Wailer 106 or something like that. 138 no question.
I have more days on Lotus 138s than any other ski, as I've been skiing the design for 10+ years.
But where did the Lotus 138 (and all these other skis) come from?
SKI HISTORY - VOLANT SPATULA'S CHILDREN
I still have my Volant Spatula 186s which I got in 2004 and skied a ton until I got my first Lotus 138s in about 2007. I still ski the Spats occasionally. They are heavy at about 15# for the pair... without bindings, (one ski weighs about as much as a pair of 138s). They are full reverse sidecut reverse camber 115-125-115 (as opposed other 138s which have a flat camber section with sidecut underfoot to hold an edge) which made the Spatulas heinous cat tracks.
These are the instructions, or Mental Floss, Shane McConkey wrote and were included with the Spatula in 2002:
https://www.evo.com/what-is-so-speci...i-the-spatulas
McConkey's Spatula was the progenitor of all the fun shaped skis we have now. Every fun-shape skier should read Mental Floss. Keep in mind it was addressed to people skiing traditional side-cut/traditional camber skis 90-108mm underfoot like the Volkl Explosiv, Salomon Pocket Rocket, Volant Chubb, and Atomic Powder Plus as their pow skis. He wanted to change their thinking, but it all applies just as well today.
All of our fun skis today are just evolved (compromised) Spatulas. They took the Spatula and compromised some design elements to make it better on hard snow. OK, losing the stainless steel top sheet was not a compromise (Lotus 138, Praxis Pow)... but every 5-point sidecut ski is the progeny of a a GS ski that had sex with the Spatula. The very first was Eric 'Hoji' Hjorleifson's 4FRNT EHP in fall 2005. Drake's DPS Wailer 112RP was the first widespread 5point design success in spring 2010 following the lesser appreciated fall 2009 release of JP Auclair's Aramada JJ. These were mainstreamed (copied) by the extremely successful Salomon Super 7 in 2011. Now every brand has something like that.
The true natural snow only tool remains a Lotus 138.
@hutash @adimmen @blurred @marshalolson @evileLast edited by Summit; 02-14-2018 at 07:53 PM.
Originally Posted by blurred
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02-14-2018, 07:11 PM #2
Hallelujah, amen, preach the gospel of the 138.
They are simply the best in untracked.
In tracked out chop, the width gets to me after awhile. Also, if there's a lot of groomer between the pow, they're far from ideal.
I picked up some Blizzard Spurs earlier this year in the hopes of something a tiny bit more versatile. I wanted something usable at a ski area where it's a PITA to go back to the car and switch skis. Since this season sucks, haven't had a chance to ski them in anything deserving of a big ski.
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02-14-2018, 07:32 PM #3
Have you guys skied the BillyGoat? I thought the lotus 138 was it (for resort pow) until I got on the BillyGoat.
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02-14-2018, 07:39 PM #4
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02-14-2018, 07:49 PM #5
Preach. Reverse reverse is the fucking sex and are way more than just deep pow skis. They just make skiing more funner than it already is.
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02-14-2018, 07:50 PM #6
When did the Moment Deathwish come out, because that is the 1 ski for me?
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02-14-2018, 07:59 PM #7Registered User
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02-14-2018, 08:04 PM #8
I actually started writing to tell Hutash tips on skiing reverse-reverse... so I started with Mental Floss and it turned into a love letter to 138s and a history lesson to the Spats... and too long for a PM... so I made a post of one of the gospels of reverse-reverse.
Reverse Reverse Tips:
Read mental floss
You can go sideways at any time and it doesn't mean stopping (unless you want)
You can push your tips to faceshot, porpoise
You don't have to get aggro forward, but you can
Stay out of the backseat (and you don't have fear the chop/breakable) just try it... get center.... now a little forward... YESSSS
Loosey goosey... little moves... think and the ski will read your mind! Force it and it will move in ways you didn't think possible
Wax is important on reverse reverse, although mostly for covering a groomer on your way.
On a fully lift served day where shit tracks out, I might switch out to a 5 point fun shape about mid day... unless mid day turns in to hiking/sidestepping for more lightly tracked stuff
Don't be afraid to take them out on a 5" day... they turn dust on crust into surfing
Once you learn them, go find some trees you thought were tight... YESSSSSOriginally Posted by blurred
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02-14-2018, 08:51 PM #9Registered User
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Bought a pair of 138 hybrids a few years ago and skied them as my main pow ski and only touring setup for 1 season. Probably 50 days on them.
Absolutely best ski for any kind of 3D snow. Even deep heavy wet spring snow that normally locks you in to a turn is super easy and fun. Just such a fucking bear on icy luge exits, hard groomers or long traverses.
Ended up grabbing another pair of Renegades for the next year. Rens just have that combination of L138 ability to make any turn shape in pow and are much more manageable on hardpack. Would love to remount the 138s with a tech binding and put them back in rotation though.
Everyone that considers themselves a ski nerd should spend some time on a R/R ski. I’ll never sell mine... unless someone has a 202 I can try...
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02-14-2018, 10:01 PM #10
I still miss my Spats.
What's the best damp reverse reverse shape on the market now? The 138s are done, right?
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02-14-2018, 10:10 PM #11Registered User
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02-14-2018, 10:51 PM #12
Reverse reverse? Hmmm. Blurred had told me to try spats a few times.
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02-14-2018, 10:53 PM #13
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02-14-2018, 11:10 PM #14
Still the best pure pow ski of all time in my opinion. DPS made it lighter, but I like the heft of it. It crushes. The DPS gets bucked easily if it’s not perfect snow. The spatula gives zero fucks and just keeps destroying. Those days in east Vail were good times!
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02-14-2018, 11:28 PM #15
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02-14-2018, 11:34 PM #16
I have my praxis pow 200's for sale since I haven't used them in 2 years, but now you made me decide to keep them and ride them.
I had one particular night ski probably 4 years ago now - drove down to ski in the city with a buddy on his L138s and me on my pows. was not expecting much from that night. It's still the most clear ski session in my mind.
Probably should book a trip to Japan...
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02-15-2018, 03:29 AM #21one-track mind
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Additional relevant history, from my old notes:
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2001 Volant 186cm “Spatula V1” Prototype with O.G. metal cap construction, 125-130-120, Reverse-Reverse
2004/5 Birdos 184cm “11s”, 134-137-128, Reverse-Reverse
2005/6 Birdos 195cm “11s”, 134-137-128, Reverse-Reverse
2005/6 Capital 195cm G-Funkenstein XXL stiff, 155-162-132 Reverse-Reverse, (…or was this ski later in 2006/7 ???)
2006 DPS 192cm Lotus138, 140-138-139, basically Reverse-Reverse with short section underfoot.
2006 Goode 193cm "Scoop 142", 125-142-113, Reverse-Reverse
2006/7 4FRNT 193cm EHP, 130-112-118, zero camber, some slight taper & early rise in tip. (The 190cm EHP was just a rebadged old VCT).
2006/7 Armada 185cm ARG La Gorda, 135-133-134, basically Reverse-Reverse with short section underfoot.
2006/7 Praxis 185cm Powderboards, 130-136-130, Reverse-Reverse
2007/8 Praxis 195cm Powderboards, 131-136-124, Reverse-Reverse
2007/8 4FRNT 186cm EHP, 128-113-122, zero camber, some decent taper & early rise in tip and tail.
2008/2009 Rossignol 188cm S7 Caballero, 145.4-115-123. Early “hybrid/5-point”.
* same year as the first Armada JJ "5-point" *
* both were well BEFORE the Wailer 112 *
2008/9 Armada 185cm "JJ (JP vs Julien)", 136-115-133. Early “hybrid/5-point”.
2008/9 Praxis 188cm Hybrid(Protest), 137-130-131, “Hybrid/5-point”
EDIT: 2008/9 Bluehouse 189cm Maven, 154-139-151, “Hybrid/5-point”
2008/9 Moment 186cm Donner Party, 135-140-130, Reverse-Reverse
EDIT: 2009 PMGear 191cm Splatula Prototype, Reverse-Reverse, 1st pair built by frenchie intern in 2009, not sure when the next pairs were built.
EDIT: 2009/10 4FRNT 188cm CRJ, 130-118-128, “Hybrid/5-point”
2010 DPS 190cm Wailer 112 RP, 141-112-128, “hybrid/5-point”, but not the first with widespread success.
2011/12 Liberty 192cm Mutant, 160-149-145, basically Reverse-Reverse with short section underfoot.
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02-15-2018, 04:27 AM #22one-track mind
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YES! I have both Spatula and 192cm pure Lotus138. What I really want is a 196cm Spatula.
Someday I need to trade my pure Lotus138 for the heaviest possible Lotus138 (like either hybrid construction or a 202cm). Or someday I might epoxy a layer of any heavy material right onto my Lotus138 topsheets.
Or maybe I should start with an old heavy-fiberglass Praxis Powderboard in a 195cm or 200cm or 205cm. Then if it's too soft or too much tip upturn (like the flaws of the very first 195cm version of Praxis PowBoards), then I'd epoxy sloppy layers of fiberglass right onto the topsheet to increase stiffness and to prevent the tip upturn from flexing up higher to an even more blunt hammer-like angle.
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02-15-2018, 06:57 AM #23
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02-15-2018, 08:29 AM #24"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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02-15-2018, 10:52 AM #25
And having sellers remorse. I kept having to step on the brakes to keep from flying past the guides on the cat day.
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