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Thread: Best mountaineering ski?
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02-13-2018, 02:18 PM #76
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02-13-2018, 02:35 PM #77
I am going to ignore all the above blather and respond to the guy's question.
I used a pair of Voile Ultra Vectors last spring in the Sierra and the Tetons, liked them so much that I bought a pair for this year. Reasonable quiver of one, honestly, but quick and stable for the steeps and the weird chunder. They replaced a pair of BD Helio 105s that were way too squirrely for anything except ankle-deep pow.
Resume the squabbling.
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02-13-2018, 07:57 PM #78
Sometimes the difference between a good alpine ski tour and ski mountaineering is the quality of the bud. Totally.
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02-13-2018, 08:25 PM #79
Volkl Snow Ranger Lite
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02-13-2018, 09:06 PM #80registered abuser
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Hah! Some good stuff in here and some...........
I had originally titled the thread: the best light stiff mid 90s waisted minimal sidecut ski but it was too long so I shortened it to ski mtneering. There's not much my gpo's (my current quiver of one) don't do well but getting a platform to bite on a steep firm skinner with exposure is a lot tougher then it needs to be on em. 95mm is as slim as I'd dare in the all too common Sierra funk below the dank. Thanx for the quality responses buried amongst the static
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02-13-2018, 09:20 PM #81
Andreas Fransson skied the South Face of Denali on OG Nordica Enforcers:
Kilian Jornet skied up and down Denali in less than 12 hours on some much lighter kit.
Right tool, right job.
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02-13-2018, 09:20 PM #82
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02-13-2018, 09:31 PM #83
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02-13-2018, 09:36 PM #84Registered User
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02-13-2018, 09:40 PM #85
195 superbro is the ski you’re looking for.
But Ellen kicks ass - if she had a beard it would be much more haggard. -Jer
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02-14-2018, 10:12 AM #86
Serious question: Do folks feel the difference between a light ski and a very light ski is all that important?
I'll be honest, unless I'm carrying them in my hand, I don't really notice the difference between my ZeroG 95s (5 lb 10 oz) and my Synapse 109s (7 lb), even on long days. I can certainly see the advantage to shorter skis for "ski mountaineering," but I'd prioritize ski performance over weight in my own decision-making process. If the ski is under 7.5 lbs and has lighter tech bindings, that's light enough for me. YMMV.
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02-14-2018, 10:16 AM #87
I barely notice an extra pound per ski while skinning. IME, weight, especially swing weight, is most noticeable when skis are strapped on my pack while maneuvering steep terrain on foot (or hands and feet). Shorter length also helps while skis are strapped on pack because shorter length = lower swing weight.
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02-14-2018, 10:27 AM #88Kit and Rob Desalaurius and Johnny Chin skied the N Face of Everest 2006... husband and wife on Volkl Gotamas and Chin on BD HavocsWell maybe I'm the faggot America
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda
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02-14-2018, 10:46 AM #89
Dave Watson skied the N ridge of Everest and K2 on Karhu Guides, 78mm waist, fishscale base, noodly (now known as Mashus Annum). He was sponsored by Karhu/K2 at the time.
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02-14-2018, 10:54 AM #90
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02-14-2018, 10:54 AM #91
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02-14-2018, 11:01 AM #92Registered User
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Black Crows Navis Freebird. 102 underfoot, si outside of your prescribed range but it is otherwise exactly what you are looking for.
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02-14-2018, 11:21 AM #93
I guess I notice the weight difference between the bmt94s I’m on now and the zero g 95s I used to ski, but I don’t notice the extra energy I’m spending. And I’m way more comfortable with the volkls since the tips aren’t constantly getting knocked off course.
I’ve never skied the down lowdown 102 or its previous iterations but it sounds like what OP is looking for. 3100g per pair and 41m radius. Seems like the light weight versions pop up on gear swap a bunch when people are disappointed by them not being damp or stable enough.
The other spring touring/mountaineering skis that often are recommended in tech talk (zg95, bmt94, hannibal, mtn explore) all have radii around 20.
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02-14-2018, 11:31 AM #94
I won't be sarcastic as I was in my first post. For me, ski weight has never been the thing. Ski performance has. I hike up so I can have a blast on the down. A bit heavier ski deflects less in variable snow, and fits me and my style better. I'm not out there to be the fastest guy up. I'm out there to have the most fun on the way down.
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02-14-2018, 11:41 AM #95
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02-14-2018, 01:44 PM #96Registered User
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Not always so black and white. I've toured with people of your mindset, and sometimes at the end of a long day their legs are so fried from hauling their heavy gear around that they don't have the strength to fully take advantage of all that downhill performance that their heavy gear supposedly gives them. Not that they can't ski anymore, but you can see some laziness and shortcuts in technique, turns not quite finished, speeds a little higher than prudent. Like tired flatland gapers at the resort at 2:30pm. A little less control. Riskier.
that's before you get into how that fatigue would come into play in the event of accidents/rescue/hauling ass to escape rapidly deteriorating conditions, etc. At the trailheads I frequent there are lots of sweaty mouth breathing tired spent sloppy skiers returning from a long (or short) day. You gotta have something left in reserve at the end of the day, just in case.
of course, if your idea of backcountry involves sliding out of the resort sidecountry gates and being within a cellphone call of ski patrol, good for you.
yeah fatigue creeps up on you. One step doesn't hurt, 20000 steps starts to add up.
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02-14-2018, 02:09 PM #97Rod9301
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Personally, I would rather work out/lift weights to get strong than ski on a shitty ski in shitty conditions
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02-14-2018, 02:44 PM #98
Counter argument to this is "I'd rather get good enough at skiing that I don't need to carry heavy-ass gear to cover up deficiencies in my technique."
That said, I use my heavier touring skis more than the light ones. But if I'm looking at an 8 mile approach and a bunch of time with skis on my pack, give me the toothpicks.
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02-14-2018, 03:16 PM #100Rod9301
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You're right, but technique improvement comes a lot slower than fitness improvement, at least for me.
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