Best mountaineering ski?

[Dhelihiker]

Atomic backland 102, a little wider but man what a great ski. Ive heard nothing but good on those pink black crows too.

[bodywhomper]

Buddha explosives

[LightRanger]

Buddha explosives

With Fritschi Freerides.

[Skidog]

With Fritschi Freerides.

Naxo

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[brutah]

I'd go with the G3 boundary 100s! Probably the best ski for ski mountaineering and I happen to know where you can get a great deal on them, completely set up and ready to ski mountaineer all over the mountains!

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[MagnificentUnicorn]

Buddha explosives

Actually, this is a great suggestion if paired with something like a Tecton.

[2FUNKY]

K2 KVCs 204cm


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That was such a killer ski.

[GeezerSteve]

Real ski mountaineeering skis are 88mm waist or narrower, relatively short and light, but that's usually off the point because most people who claim to ski mountaineer are actually engaged in ski touring but call it "ski mountaineering" to appear gnar.

[digitaldeath]

... if you know... why not just put it in the right place?

he seeks maximum exposure

[digitaldeath]

Real ski mountaineeering skis are 88mm waist or narrower, relatively short and light, but that's usually off the point because most people who claim to ski mountaineer are actually engaged in ski touring but call it "ski mountaineering" to appear gnar.

its ski mountaineering as soon as you make a technical move in your boots over mountainous terrain

[Talisman]

its ski mountaineering as soon as you make a technical move in your boots over mountainous terrain

Does Buck Hill count as mountainous terrain?

[digitaldeath]

Does Buck Hill count as mountainous terrain?

wise guy huh

i suppose a parking garage cold simulate a mountain and therefore provide an opportunity for mountaineering

[hairy asshole]

Nobody in tech skis? Who knew, thanks for informing us, we been posting in the wrong forum all along.

So get the red ones, they are the absolute best mountaineering ski by far.

I thought it was the blue ones with the robot.

[summit]

its ski mountaineering as soon as you make a technical move in your boots over mountainous terrain

I think that is actually a decent definition... of course what is a "technical move" is the question. Kicksteps + axe/whippet ascent, class 3 rock, or harnessed in glaciated terrain is probably a reasonably low bar.

[digitaldeath]

I think that is actually a decent definition... of course what is a "technical move" is the question. Kicksteps + axe/whippet or class 3 rock is probably a reasonably low bar.

ive seen pics that SFB has posted of ski mountaineering

i cant say that i have mountaineered



same difference between hiking a summit and climbing a summit - one requires technical moves and likely tech equipment

[kalisto]

"Technical Move"... hah

I'd argue ski mountaineering is where there's just as much emphasis on the up (usually trying to summit something), as there is on the down. Seeing that the sport of mountaineering is related to climbing mountains...

Ski touring, you are simply just trying to get somewhere, to ski down.

Just because something getting up something is easy or hard, doesn't make it any 'less' mountaineering. Just like climbing a 5.7 and a 5.12a is still rocking climbing.

... which is why ski mountaineering skis are traditionally skinny and short. They are tools to move around the mountains, not the point of the trip.

[GeezerSteve]

I think that is actually a decent definition...

IMV it's a fatally broad definition. A single technical move does not metamorphose a ski tour into a ski mountaineering route by any definition in general usage. As the term is usually used, ski mountaineering is a blend of skiing and mountaineering, and that begs the definition of "mountaineering." Sometimes non-technical routes qualify as mountaineering, e.g., a long class 3 summit route above deadly exposure is not technical (per generally used definition), but it's mountaineering by any definition.

[digitaldeath]

"Technical Move"... hah

I'd argue ski mountaineering is where there's just as much emphasis on the up (usually trying to summit something), as there is on the down. Seeing that the sport of mountaineering is related to climbing mountains...

Ski touring, you are simply just trying to get somewhere, to ski down.

Just because something getting up something is easy or hard, doesn't make it any 'less' mountaineering. Just like climbing a 5.7 and a 5.12a is still rocking climbing.

... which is why ski mountaineering skis are traditionally skinny and short. They are tools to move around the mountains, not the point of the trip.

so ambiguity is mountaineering?

[digitaldeath]

IMV it's a woefully broad definition. A single technical move does not metamorphose a ski tour into a ski mountaineering route by any definition in general usage. As the term is usually used, ski mountaineering is a blend of skiing and mountaineering, and that begs the definition of "mountaineering." And sometimes non-technical routes qualify as mountaineering, e.g., a long class 3 summit route above deadly exposure is not technical, but its mountaineering by any definition.

uhhhhhh

skiing above a deadly exposure would certainly be technical

[digitaldeath]

IMV it's a woefully broad definition. A single technical move does not metamorphose a ski tour into a ski mountaineering route by any definition in general usage. As the term is usually used, ski mountaineering is a blend of skiing and mountaineering, and that begs the definition of "mountaineering." And sometimes non-technical routes qualify as mountaineering, e.g., a long class 3 summit route above deadly exposure is not technical, but its mountaineering by any definition.

it actually does, for if you didnt do a technical move you'd just be touring or hiking

[GeezerSteve]

it actually does, for if you didnt do a technical move you'd just be touring or hiking

No, that's just incorrect. You are conflating terms. Class 3 climbing requires frequent use of hands and is thus not merely hiking, of course. A sustained class 3 summit scramble over deadly exposure is mountaineering, although Class 3 climbing not "technical" under most definitions because it does not require special gear (for most climbers).* There are long class 2 routes that certainly qualify as mountaineering as most people define the term.

*Note that the classic definition of Class 3 includes the qualification that experienced or athletic climbers will not want a rope but a rope should be available. This definition has been watered down in recent decades.

[digitaldeath]

No, that's just incorrect. You are conflating terms. Class 3 climbing requires frequent use of hands and is thus not merely hiking, of course. A sustained class 3 summit scramble over deadly exposure is mountaineering, although Class 3 climbing not "technical" under most definitions because it does not require special gear (for most climbers).* There are long class 2 routes that certainly qualify as mountaineering as most people define the term.

*Note that the classic definition of Class 3 is that experienced or athletic climbers will not want a rope but a rope should be available. This definition has been watered down in recent decades.

ur conflating what i say

u should know better by now than to battle me

[GeezerSteve]

u should know better

I know better because I've actually mountaineered most of my life

[digitaldeath]

I know better because I've actually mountaineered most of my life

then you should know what technical climbing and technical skiing are

[GeezerSteve]

then you should know what technical climbing and technical skiing are

I do. But we're taking about what qualifies as "mountaineering." Do you know what "conflation" means?