Shaun White-Olympian

**media310** · 02-14-2018, 12:30 PM

if you think you are "cool" by hating on Shaun White, thats a bummer. Congratulations to him, and the rest of the team.
https://mtnweekly.com/sports/snowboa...rd-gold-medals

**KenJongIll** · 02-14-2018, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by OldSteve

whitewash much?

copy of victim's Amended Complaint

If 1/4 of the allegations are true, he's an irredeemable piece of shit.

Forcing her to watch a porn movie called Church of Fudge and another porn movie showing the killing of a bear and people fucking on top of the bear carcass? Texting dick pics to a female employee? Bullying her to cut her hair? On and on and on. And people defend this turd?

Of course he settled. She had good evidence and would have kicked his ass had they gone to trial.

Sheez, WTF is it with the kneejerk defense of rich famous creeps like this?

Wow, what an asshole. Had no idea. Makes me feel bad for cheering him on last night.

I don’t get why the drummer put up with that shit for so long.

**aragon** · 02-14-2018, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by OldSteve

whitewash much?

I see what you did there... (and totally not defending SW in way, shape or form...)

**concretejungle** · 02-14-2018, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by media310

if you think you are "cool" by hating on Shaun White, thats a bummer. Congratulations to him, and the rest of the team.
https://mtnweekly.com/sports/snowboa...rd-gold-medals

Are we "cool" if we call you a spamming piece of shit?

**I've seen black diamonds!** · 02-14-2018, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by media310

if you think you are "cool" by hating on Shaun White, thats a bummer. Congratulations to him, and the rest of the team.
https://mtnweekly.com/sports/snowboa...rd-gold-medals

Makes perfect sense that you'd be an apologist for a selfish piece of shit.

**GeezerSteve** · 02-14-2018, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by KenJongIll

I don’t get why the drummer put up with that shit for so long.

Before questioning the victim's behavior, try reading the available research re why battered and harassed women stay under the thumb of their abusers. This is about his behavior, not hers.

**NW_SKIER** · 02-14-2018, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!

Makes perfect sense that you'd be an apologist for a selfish piece of shit.

Originally Posted by concretejungle

Are we "cool" if we call you a spamming piece of shit?

But guys, there's a link to his sweet website.

**Flyoverland Captive** · 02-14-2018, 12:41 PM

Quit quoting media310; he's on ignore.

**KenJongIll** · 02-14-2018, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by OldSteve

Before questioning the victim's behavior, try reading the available research re why battered and harassed women stay under the thumb of their abusers. This is about his behavior, not hers.

Obviously not blaming her for the abuse dude. Jeez.

It’s really gotten to the point you can’t even ask a fuck8ng question..

Maybe I didn’t read close enough, but I didn’t see what was keeping her around. She didn’t seem into it in the first place. Was she making a shit ton of money?

By the way, I question everything.

**Sirshredalot** · 02-14-2018, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by KenJongIll

Obviously not blaming her for the abuse dude. Jeez.

It’s really gotten to the point you can’t even ask a fuck8ng question..

Maybe I didn’t read close enough, but I didn’t see what was keeping her around. She didn’t seem into it in the first place. Was she making a shit ton of money?

By the way, I question everything.

The music business is tough. It's gotta be difficult to walk away from a steady paycheck. Plus there is probably the fear that White would slag her to her next potential employer. Even though he is a known douche, he's rich and famous, so he probably has some pull to fuck up her career. And it's not like they were winning a bunch of Grammys.

It's easy to look at it from the outside and wonder why she didn't walk away sooner. But if you try to put yourself in her shoes, it's easy to see how she could feel trapped.

**smartyiak** · 02-14-2018, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Sirshredalot

The music business is tough. It's gotta be difficult to walk away from a steady paycheck. Plus there is probably the fear that White would slag her to her next potential employer. Even though he is a known douche, he's rich and famous, so he probably has some pull to fuck up her career. And it's not like they were winning a bunch of Grammys.

It's easy to look at it from the outside and wonder why she didn't walk away sooner. But if you try to put yourself in her shoes, it's easy to see how she could feel trapped.

To go along with KenJong though...it doesn't sound like she was all that into being in the music business. Not sure how much pull White has with employers in the medical field, should she have pursued that avenue.

I'm with ya Ken: question everything!

**Sirshredalot** · 02-14-2018, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by smartyiak

To go along with KenJong though...it doesn't sound like she was all that into being in the music business. Not sure how much pull White has with employers in the medical field, should she have pursued that avenue.

I'm with ya Ken: question everything!

IDK. I'm not going down the rabbit hole of reading all the articles on this. I know enough to know that I respect the hell out of White as an athlete and a snowboarder but not as a man.

**smartyiak** · 02-14-2018, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Sirshredalot

IDK. I'm not going down the rabbit hole of reading all the articles on this. I know enough to know that I respect the hell out of White as an athlete and a snowboarder but not as a man.

I only read the Complaint that Steve attached. I'm gonna guess that your analysis of him is probably pretty accurate.

**Supermoon** · 02-14-2018, 02:09 PM

Even if you’re just “questioning everything,” victim blaming is a pretty shitty conclusion to jump to.

I don’t respect him as an athlete because he’s a piece of shit human. Athletic ability isn’t a get out of jail free card.

**Spats** · 02-14-2018, 02:23 PM

Because, you know, everything alleged in a lawsuit is always completely true. Which is why we don't need a legal system to adjudicate.

I know more than one person who has had their lives ruined by false allegations of sexual abuse. The allegations were extremely detailed, and would have easily made a narrative at least as plausible as this one if anyone involved were famous. They were also completely fabricated.

Since most of you have been fortunate and have never been sued, here's an important fact: Lawyers are expensive. Even if you have the money to defend a lawsuit, and you know the charges are mostly or completely false, it's often cheaper to settle out of court. Even worse, going to court is extremely stressful and takes a lot of time - time and energy you might not have if you're, I don't know, training for the Olympics.

Do I know what happened? No. The judgment is sealed. I'm not defending Shaun White. But I'm not going to attack him either. That's the drummer's job, and she took a settlement. I don't have to have an opinion on things I don't know anything about, I don't think it makes me a better person to have such opinions, and (unlike several in this thread) I'm not under the delusion that my opinion matters or anyone cares what it is.

Here's another fact: if you are publicly accused, it won't matter if the charges are true or false, and it won't matter how much you virtue-signaled about #MeToo beforehand.

**Supermoon** · 02-14-2018, 02:38 PM

So because a tiny fraction of resorts are false, we should just assume that all women are lying? Maybe instead of the hand wringing about what happens to the man, we think more about what seven years of abuse did to this woman.

Facts should be allowed to come out for sure, but nobody other than internet lawyers seems to think any of it was made up.

**DBdude** · 02-14-2018, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by KenJongIll

I don’t get why the drummer put up with that shit for so long.

i don't get that either

**Canada1** · 02-14-2018, 02:45 PM

Spatz is right. Complaints and facts are very different things.
I wouldn’t want my son to hang with Shawn, but that was a cool and exciting moment in time.
Michael Jordan slept with strippers on the road. Colby liked to assume a chokehold on girls while he was sleeping with them. But when they had amazing games, the press didn’t lead with, Colby admitted to liking to emulate chocking a girl during sex according to summit county officers. They talked about their athletic feat. Maybe we are a better world when this is the lead. I just found it interesting that it is the lead the morning of his win.

**KenJongIll** · 02-14-2018, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Supermoon

Even if you’re just “questioning everything,” victim blaming is a pretty shitty conclusion to jump to.

I don’t respect him as an athlete because he’s a piece of shit human. Athletic ability isn’t a get out of jail free card.

Nobody blamed the victim you fucking dipshit.

**I've seen black diamonds!** · 02-14-2018, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Spats

Here's another fact: if you are publicly accused, it won't matter if the charges are true or false, and it won't matter how much you virtue-signaled about #MeToo beforehand.

If you feel like joining up with some like minded dudes, and you don't mind the fact they are aong the biggest losers on the planet, you could join one of them men's rights groups. Maybe you can all eat like predators while you talks about being victims.

**KenJongIll** · 02-14-2018, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Canada1

Spatz is right. Complaints and facts are very different things.
I wouldn’t want my son to hang with Shawn, but that was a cool and exciting moment in time.
Michael Jordan slept with strippers on the road. Colby liked to assume a chokehold on girls while he was sleeping with them. But when they had amazing games, the press didn’t lead with, Colby admitted to liking to emulate chocking a girl during sex according to summit county officers. They talked about their athletic feat. Maybe we are a better world when this is the lead. I just found it interesting that it is the lead the morning of his win.

Who’s Colby?

**Supermoon** · 02-14-2018, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by KenJongIll

Nobody blamed the victim you fucking dipshit.

Defensive much? This is definitely victim blaming.

Originally Posted by KenJongIll

I don’t get why the drummer put up with that shit for so long.

Originally Posted by DBdude

i don't get that either

Here is a really well written article on fake accusations and accusers. While everyone seems to know a guy who knows a guy who had his life ruined, the data just doesn’t bear it out. https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-abou...e-accusations/

**KenJongIll** · 02-14-2018, 02:53 PM

Me wondering why the drummer put up with it for so long is victim blaming? Haha...whatever. Furthest thing from the truth.

She wasn’t married to him, she wasn’t dating him, she didn’t really seem into the band, doesn’t appear she was making a lot of money.
So color me a victim blamer for wondering why on earth she stay around such a fucking twisted asshole...

Oh, and yeah, I’m fucking defensive when I’m accused of something I’m not.....asshole

**GeezerSteve** · 02-14-2018, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Spats

The judgment is sealed.

There is no judgment. The case is pending. You can be certain that her attorneys invited a settlement negotation before the suit was filed, that a pre-litigation settlement was not reached and that's why she filed suit. That's how it works.

Having been in the biz for 32 years, drafting hundreds of complaints and answering hundreds of others' complaints, I can tell you that it is very rare that a complaint with those kinds of detailed allegations lacks a good faith factual basis. When an attorney signs a complaint, he or she puts her neck on the chopping block. Court rules deem a signature on a complaint as certification that the factual allegations in the complaint are supported by a good faith and reasonable belief in the facts. I won't claim that specious complaints are never filed, but they are very rare because the sanctions for doing so are severe. Very few attorneys would stick their necks out by signing a complaint like that if they did not believe the factual allegations to be true. IME, only 2 out of hundreds of attorneys I know or with whom I have dealt would sign a complaint with such factual details unless they believed all the factual allegations to be true. Those 2 attorneys were disbarred, as they should have been.

The complaint includes factual allegations that can be supported by objective evidence (e.g., dick pic texts) and witnesses. To buy into the theory that she made it all up requires the belief that she somehow fabricated those dick pic texts and paid off witnesses. That's absurd.

**Supermoon** · 02-14-2018, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by KenJongIll

Me wondering why the drummer put up with it for so long is victim blaming? Haha...whatever. Furthest thing from the truth.

She wasn’t married to him, she wasn’t dating him, she didn’t really seem into the band, doesn’t appear she was making a lot of money.
So color me a victim blamer for wondering why on earth she stay around such a fucking twisted asshole...

It may not be what you intended, but "why didn't she just leave" is a pretty classic way to diminish a domestic violence or sexual harassment victim.