Shaun White-Olympian

[GPP33]

whitewash much?

copy of victim's Amended Complaint

If 1/4 of the allegations are true, he's an irredeemable piece of shit.

Forcing her to watch a porn movie called Church of Fudge and another porn movie showing the killing of a bear and people fucking on top of the bear carcass? Texting dick pics to a female employee? Bullying her to cut her hair? On and on and on. And people defend this turd?

Of course he settled. She had good evidence and would have kicked his ass had they gone to trial.

Sheez, WTF is it with the kneejerk defense of rich famous creeps like this?

First I’ve heard of this. I don’t really care about the dude either way but after reading the complaints I’m not seeing where they really had a case against him. Based on what I just read I’d say he has a twisted sense of humor and is a terrible boss. He’s probably not a fun person to hang out with (unless he’s paying you I guess) and generally acts like a spoiled little shit. He probably either doesn’t get it when his humor has crossed a line that makes you uncomfortable or finds it amusing that he can be so vulgar (I’ve had bosses like that, typical type A personality). I didn’t read that he made repeated sexual advances after being asked to stop I didn’t read that she asked him to stop with the videos or pics and I didn’t read where he made sexual favors a condition of employement. So while he may be a genuine jerk who I wouldn't want my daughter hanging out with and he may have screwed himself from an employement contract standpoint I just don’t see a sexual harrassement case. Regarding the lipstick and hair, that’s not out of line, employers can have certain dress code requirements, he may not have handled it right, but it doesn’t make him a POS.

Now in his defense, I know a lot of what he did was inappropriate because I’ve had to hold down jobs in the corporate and public sectors. I’ve been through countless hours of training required by my employers that were designed to make sure I didn’t get them into trouble. White has been in the spotlight and showered with money his whole life and as such has missed out on a lot of life’s lessons which are what teach us common sense. Sounds like a shitty situation for all but hopefully he learnt something....good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from bad decisions right?

[Spats]

The complaint includes factual allegations that can be supported by objective evidence (e.g., dick pic texts) and witnesses. To buy into the theory that she made it all up requires the belief that she somehow fabricated those dick pic texts and paid off witnesses. That's absurd.

"Objective evidence" = stuff posted to deadspin

Unlike most in this thread, I'm willing to wait for the court to render its judgment based on the evidence. (Which may or may not be the same as what's posted on deadspin claiming to be evidence, or Lena's version of events in the court document. Even Deadspin labels the article "Here Are The Penis Pics That Lena Zawaideh Says Shaun White Sent Her," because they understand the difference.)

Like I said in the original post, "I'm not defending Shaun White. But I'm not going to attack him either." Thanks to all the usual crop of virtue-signalers for proving my point by completely ignoring what I said.

(Yes, I have opinions - but I know they're worthless, because I've seen only one side of the story, and because it doesn't change anything or help anyone to have them.)

[grapedrink]

I couldn't agree more, he is a piece of shit. I was rooting for Japan. The flag being drug around on the ground is just a testament to his lack of giving a shit.

oh man you flag people are for real? i thought that was all made up, you people really exist? that's fucking hilarious! all i can say is... wow.

[willywhit]

You don't have any buddies ya old simp.

is that right, Jong boy ? I've got more couches and extra bedrooms to crash in all over ski country than you ever will.
It comes from being an Old Simp and years of hospitality and congeniality far beyond this forum.
good luck with "Solid! I got a place to stay with a local. Shred city here we come!"
Kook !

[gramboh]

Pretty damn cool to see a dude in his 5th Olympics win a gold at 31. He's still boosting crazy high and putting down sick runs. Also hilarious to see all the butthurt in the snowboard industry when he dominates.

[The Tortoise]

5th?

[SB]

SW appeals to people who can not count or remember things like facts.

[Beastiality]

Dude is an American Hero! Three Cheers for Shawn!

[plugboots]

Hero?
JHC, he rides a snowboard pretty good, and gets paid damn well to do it.

[GeezerSteve]

"Objective evidence" = stuff posted to deadspin

The complaint is a public record, has been posted on numerous websites. Cherrypicking deadspin out of the dozens of sources posting the complaint makes no point whatsoever, and is akin to Trump yelling "fake news" whenever a new source prints something he doesn't like.

Yesterday, after months of denying doing anything wrong, White apologized per a statement to the New York Times, including: “I regret my behavior of many years ago and am sorry that I made anyone — particularly someone I considered a friend — uncomfortable." That's admissible in court as an admission.

Authenticated texts are objective evidence. Didn't you learn that in law school? Here's how it works: Parties represented by competent counsel who have been falsely accused with phony evidence don't apologize.

ETA: I'll temper my statement yesterday that he's an irredeemable piece of shit. He's no doubt a piece of shit, but I'll give him time to attempt redemption. His rather vague apology published in the NYT is a good start, although that needs to be put in the context of a pattern of wholesale denials until yesterday. SW has the opportunity to step up and make a positive contribution to the public discussion. Time will tell whether he's man enough to do so or, alternatively, whether he's just another rich famous spoiled piece of shit.

[AdironRider]

I find it interesting that you find Shaun more deplorable than Al Frankenstein, you know, a guy who actually sexually assaulted someone.

[mcski]

I find it interesting that you find Shaun more deplorable than Al Frankenstein, you know, a guy who actually sexually assaulted someone.

Take your Frankentroll bs to poly ass

[GPP33]

The complaint is a public record, has been posted on numerous websites. Cherrypicking deadspin out of the dozens of sources posting the complaint makes no point whatsoever, and is akin to Trump yelling "fake news" whenever a new source prints something he doesn't like.

Today, after months of denying doing anything wrong, White apologized per a statement to the New York Times, including: “I regret my behavior of many years ago and am sorry that I made anyone — particularly someone I considered a friend — uncomfortable." That's admissible in court as an admission.

Authenticated texts are objective evidence. Didn't you learn that in law school? Here's how it works: Parties represented by competent counsel who have been falsely accused with phony evidence don't apologize.

Admissible for what though? That he made some poor judgement calls and offended someone? I didn’t see where he broke any laws.

[GPP33]

Dude is an American Hero! Three Cheers for Shawn!

He’s a good snowboarder but no way an snowboarder can be an American hero. America has it’s problems but we’d never stoop that low.

[GeezerSteve]

I didn’t see where he broke any laws.

Uh, it's a civil case, not a criminal case [face in palms]. Sheez

And, BTW, bullying a female employee to cut her hair and firing her and stiffing her pay in retaliation for her refusal to do so, texting dick pics to an employee and other instances of conduct alleged in the complaint would constitute violations of state and/or federal statutes.

[willywhit]

I find it interesting that you find Shaun more deplorable than Al Frankenstein, you know, a guy who actually sexually assaulted someone.

I wish there was a way to squash idiotic posts in a thread you started. Al Franken got thrown under the bus and is a decent person. Shaun seems like his head is just way too big. He doesn't come across as a douche in interviews but theres a lot of crap I've learned about him since starting this thread. I kinda bummed cuz I thought Shaun was a good dude with tons of talent. Whatever, he's fun to watch and doesn't live next door to me.

[MTT]

After reading all this, and think back a bit.

I have no problem with SW. I never met him as a famous kid or a man.

He worked hard, became better at something than everyone else. He seemed to have people market him well and he cashed in in a big way "That's when i started reading the negative hater hype and decided I did not like SW. that was stupid on my part.

He has led a weird life since childhood and is most likely kinda weird and naive and paranoid in his dealing with people.

And here we are. He decided to go at being the best again, put in the work and JUST FUCKING SLAYED IT.!!!!!!
We all saw what he did, it was risky, and awesome. And we saw that it meant everything to him.

I am happy to have witnessed a man do something extraordinary.

All the rest of it, is just a bunch of BS

Why do they feel a need to hand him an american flag in the winners circle> ?? Get over it

[GPP33]

Uh, it's a civil case, not a criminal case [face in palms]. Sheez

And, BTW, bullying a female employee to cut her hair and firing her and stiffing her pay in retaliation for her refusal to do so, texting dick pics to an employee and other instances of conduct alleged in the complaint would constitute violations of state and/or federal statutes.

So we’re back to he hurt her feelings but she didn’t really care until she didn’t get paid. Not paying for work completed is probably a clear contract violation which is deserving of legal action, everything else was a series of bad judgement calls but noone really got hurt. Doesn’t sound like even a civil case to me but I’m not a judge. Sounds like she got her payment and he has apologized.

Employing friends and family is never a good idea, behavior that used to be ok can now get you a lot of trouble. Live and learn.

[TEXASS]

This is one hellava good thread to read. Self acclaimed experts on all sides. Where is that popcorn eating emoji ?

[smartyiak]

Admissible for what though? That he made some poor judgement calls and offended someone? I didn’t see where he broke any laws.

Uh, it's a civil case, not a criminal case [face in palms]. Sheez

And, BTW, bullying a female employee to cut her hair and firing her and stiffing her pay in retaliation for her refusal to do so, texting dick pics to an employee and other instances of conduct alleged in the complaint would constitute violations of state and/or federal statutes.

Admissible of what is right. Sexual harassment? Being a dick? Having low moral standards? Being a jerk?

I haven't seen any response to the Complaint by White's team...was it settled before then? Earlier in the thread, you mentioned that Plaintiff's Complaint is likely true b/c the attorney's name and bar license is on the line (paraphrased)...but,

What if White's response was something like: Denied. Defendant admits photos exchanged by several members of the band over the course of several years. No objections by any bandmate was lodged until filing of Plaintiff's Complaint. Furthermore, to date, Plaintiff has only complained of Defendant's alleged actions.

Re: haircut. Response: All members of the band were well aware of that Defendant reserved the right to contour the band's image as he saw fit. While Defendant admits he expressed his disappointment with Plaintiff's refusal to craft her image to fit the band's image, no further action was taken. Furthermore, Plaintiff was aware that her employment was "at will" and termination for failure to comply with employer's requirements regarding the bands direction and image was a possible remedy for Defendant.

The above is hypothetical, but the idea that Plaintiff's Complaint is a accurate version of events is laughable. As you're well aware: the Complaint is simply the Plaintiff's version. Response is defendant's version. The documents' "factual" accounts can vary wildly, despite them being based on the same actual facts. White's counsel and Plaintiff's counsel apparently saw strengths/weaknesses in each of their cases as they reached a satisfactory settlement btwn the two.

Plaintiff's attorney seems like he's not above hyperbole:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...nts/339718002/

“There are powerful forces at play which prevent Ms. Zawaideh from speaking about the allegations and ultimate outcome of the sexual harassment case,” (like a simple (and common) non-disclosure agreement...or actual powerful forces????)

And:
“Before Mr. White made his comment, Ms. Zawaideh believed that this matter was in the past, and she was happy to put the situation behind her so she can focus on her blossoming music career. Unfortunately, by his recent comments and conduct, Mr. White has minimized the problem of sexual harassment in this country.” (this seems contradictory to the Complaint in which she all she ever wanted to do was attend medical school. Also, sexual harassment is a crime where I live...if he were actually charged with that offense, I would defend that case any day of the week...and as far as the civil suit, I'd take my chances defending that one too (even with the lower burden)...unless a reasonable settlement was presented (which happened here).

White comes across as an egotistical dick. He appears to lack the ability to behave in a socially manner acceptable behavior and I wouldn't want to hang out with him. But his actions aren't on par with Harvey Weinstein...or even Louis CK. Additionally, this Plaintiff isn't some low income, wife of 10yrs with two kids, who puts up with a beating b/c she relies on her husband's janitor check and WIC to make it through the week.

On the one end, you have Weinstein and the other: falsely accused. On the one end you have Rose McGowan and the other: the gold digger. I'm thinking the truth is somewhere in the middle...for both Plaintiff and Defendant.

I could be wrong though too....

[GeezerSteve]

I could be wrong though too....

You are, on many points. I won't waste my time to provide a response, except to say that your take on the haircut is fucking ridiculous.

[GhostofSeasonsPast]

You are, on many points. I won't waste my time to provide a response, except to say that your take on the haircut is fucking ridiculous.

I am starting to wonder about the extent of your legal experience. Groups or group members, or solo acts, being told how to look is perfectly acceptable, and routine. Big box retail has dress codes, for that matter. You clearly have it in for the guy. We get it.

[4matic]

The dispute with Loyds is interesting. They are claiming it was before affective date. Not being properly insured with millions in liability? It was his band.

[GeezerSteve]

I am starting to wonder about the extent of your legal experience. Groups or group members, or solo acts, being told how to look is perfectly acceptable, and routine.

This was not a "band" as you use the term. She was an employee of one or two corporations solely owned and controlled by White. He was her employer.

[kokomas]

His helmet throwing and post win celebration / carrying on were comical to watch. It came across as a grown man getting all fired up because he best a couple of children. Thought I was watching a farce with Adam Sandler or Danny McBride in it. The look on the kids faces who also medalled was priceless when they had to bro hug him. Great performance but what a douche

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