Shaun White-Olympian

[AdironRider]

Defensive much? This is definitely victim blaming.





Here is a really well written article on fake accusations and accusers. While everyone seems to know a guy who knows a guy who had his life ruined, the data just doesn’t bear it out. https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-abou...e-accusations/

Except the Duke Lacrosse team, that Rolling Stone article, Lena Dunham slandering a republican classmate, the list goes on.

Noone is saying every accuser is lying. They are saying there is a legal system and you are innocent until proven guilty, which the cases above are all great examples of why.

That whole article is premised on false accusations that make it to criminal charges. People's lives can be ruined without jail time. Again, see above examples.

If you a famous public figure worth between 20-40 million dollars, there are about 20-40 million reasons why someone would lie about it.

[KenJongIll]

It may not be what you intended, but "why didn't she just leave" is a pretty classic way to diminish a domestic violence or sexual harassment victim.

Nah, it’s just a totally legitimate question. I’m not diminishing anything. I guess you missed ALL of my criticism of Flying tomato.
If this girl was obviously in deeper in some way, I wouldn’t have even brought up the question. From what I read, there was really no solid connection to White in any sort of way, so I was wondering what it might be.

[The AD]

Who’s Colby?

He's the cheese.

[Supermoon]

Except the Duke Lacrosse team, that Rolling Stone article, Lena Dunham slandering a republican classmate, the list goes on.

Noone is saying every accuser is lying. They are saying there is a legal system and you are innocent until proven guilty, which the cases above are all great examples of why.

That whole article is premised on false accusations that make it to criminal charges. People's lives can be ruined without jail time. Again, see above examples.

If you a famous public figure worth between 20-40 million dollars, there are about 20-40 million reasons why someone would lie about it.

Those examples you give were just a famously exonerated. Rich, powerful people fight these things. There's no reason to settle if there isn't truth to the claim. Like was pointed out above, there is a lot of factual evidence on the side of this woman against White, and the amount of true reports to false reports just doesn't bear out the gut reaction many people have to say that the accusations could be false.

Nah, it’s just a totally legitimate question. I’m not diminishing anything. I guess you missed ALL of my criticism of Flying tomato

Like I said, I'm not saying you were intending it, but it's a classic weapon used by those people defending these types of scumbags.

[4matic]

Woman probably would have walked away had SW paid her contract.

[SB]

I miss Craig Kelly.

[KenJongIll]

Those examples you give were just a famously exonerated. Rich, powerful people fight these things. There's no reason to settle if there isn't truth to the claim. Like was pointed out above, there is a lot of factual evidence on the side of this woman against White, and the amount of true reports to false reports just doesn't bear out the gut reaction many people have to say that the accusations could be false.



Like I said, I'm not saying you were intending it, but it's a classic weapon used by those people defending these types of scumbags.

You miss quoted me anyway...

Wow, what an asshole. Had no idea. Makes me feel bad for cheering him on last night.

I don’t get why the drummer put up with that shit for so long.

[3PinGrin]

He's the cheese.

And a blue ribbon recipient apparently.

[AdironRider]

Those examples you give were just a famously exonerated. Rich, powerful people fight these things. There's no reason to settle if there isn't truth to the claim. Like was pointed out above, there is a lot of factual evidence on the side of this woman against White, and the amount of true reports to false reports just doesn't bear out the gut reaction many people have to say that the accusations could be false.



Like I said, I'm not saying you were intending it, but it's a classic weapon used by those people defending these types of scumbags.

From what I've seen, the only facts are that he sent dick pics he found on the internet, and she ALSO sent lewd texts back. Everything else is conjecture.

We already went over that lawyers are expensive, there are plenty of monetary reasons alone to settle. Let alone, as a public figure, being in a long drawn out sexual harrasment lawsuit is bad for business.

The same argument can be made that if he really did commit these crimes, she shouldn't settle.

[east or bust]

It may not be what you intended, but "why didn't she just leave" is a pretty classic way to diminish a domestic violence or sexual harassment victim.

No, it is a question that displays a form of critical thinking. Something that seems to be lacking around here a lot.

[4matic]

She got a lawyer to sue for wages and he refused so she got another lawyer to take him down?

[GhostofSeasonsPast]

She got a lawyer to sue for wages and he refused so she got another lawyer to take him down?

No she initially filed a different lawsuit, alleging breach of contract and lack of payment. I infer that went nowhere (he was financing the band, and probably had the right to fire her). So, she went to another lawyer, and then came the new angle. Complete with complaints of authoritarian style and his trying to prevent her from wearing her favorite color lipstick.

Glad someone else also noticed the heavy virtue-signalling.

[willywhit]

bicker break. I had no idea Shaun even had a band. Looked it up.
Bad Things ? Great name for this crap. Lead single looks like a spaz from a hipster record store that also works as a barista with a snotty attitude.
it's LA , go figure.
The whole thing sounds like a giant cluster fuck

[GeezerSteve]

They are saying there is a legal system and you are innocent until proven guilty. . . . Jail time

That doesn't apply here because this was a civil action, not a criminal case. The Duke LaCrosse team is also irrelevant because that was a criminal action and there was no employment relationship.

Jail time? WTF? There's zero evidence that White was exposed to criminal liability. Where do you get this shit? ManVictimTalkingPoints.com? This was sexual harassment in a workplace, fer chrissake. Apples. Oranges. Watermelons. Sheez

[PNWbrit]

So, do some people posting on this thread actually think she fabricated this evidence from whole cloth, found a law firm to believe her lies and thus file a fraudulent complaint and that he settled even though he was totally innocent because he wanted to avoid the cost of vindicating himself? Seriously?

But Steve.... he's a really good snowboarder! And American.

[4matic]

I believe her but I also believe all she really wanted was earned wages and was forced to embellish facts, with legal assistance, when she didn’t get paid. He could have gotten off for $30k and a footnote. I wonder who made the decision not to pay in the first place?

[willywhit]

Maybe Shaun could square her with a lifetime supply of emo pop sugarless gum. I feel like I've opened up a stinky box of everything that's wrong with marketing of a guy swallowed up by fame and fortune with all the soulless hucksters in the world telling him how awesome he is. Yuck ! I just wanna see the guy rip on a snowboard. I've always been cynical about what Burton has become. Tom Sims would never get behind this crap. I almost hope he ends up like Bam Margera.

[PNWbrit]

I believe her

Apart from the not believing her bit....

[4matic]

Apart from the not believing her bit....

Out of context is relevant here too.

[ExPowderSnob]

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[OregonDead]

Gotta love gum with notes of celery and school paste. From a "Whitemint" gum review, "The wintergreen flavor fades and about six minutes into the chew, the gum is mostly cool and slightly bitter. There lingers some wintergreen, celery and school paste notes. Closer to twelve minutes, the whitemint gum is still cool with green herbal mint (Mentha arvensis) and spicy (clove/cinnamon) character. I’m ready to be finished with the gum at fifteen minutes, because my mouth is numb and tingly. The flavor impact is too extreme for me. I’ve never skateboarded or snowboarded, so extreme is not my style."Dude is creepy like a leprechaun. Someone should follow him to his pot of gold and ...

Maybe Shaun could square her with a lifetime supply of emo pop sugarless gum. I feel like I've opened up a stinky box of everything that's wrong with marketing of a guy swallowed up by fame and fortune with all the soulless hucksters in the world telling him how awesome he is. Yuck ! I just wanna see the guy rip on a snowboard. I've always been cynical about what Burton has become. Tom Sims would never get behind this crap. I almost hope he ends up like Bam Margera.

[willywhit]

Presented with out comment:

https://deadspin.com/here-are-the-pe...n-w-1785367526

I'm Shaun White, Biiitch !!!

[toast2266]

Seems like perhaps Shaun's and the girl's relationship began as a friendship, and included inappropriate conversations / texts that could easily be interpreted as jokes. Depending on the nature of the friendship, whether those jokes were well received or not might be difficult to say (she obviously says they weren't, but her responses in the texts that we've seen are a bit less clear on that issue). But then the relationship transitioned into one of employer / employee, and the inappropriateness didn't stop, which is far more problematic.

I can see how a young guy with a lot of money and a lot of alcohol and drugs in his system would find himself in this position. Which isn't to excuse it in any way. But it also means that I see White in a very different light than, for example, Harvey Weinstein, where it was clearly a case of leveraging power to force women to have sex with him. White's situation seems like more of a relationship that evolved, and he did a terrible job of handling that change appropriately. But it also doesn't appear to be overtly sexual, and it doesn't seem like White was trying to use his position or power to coerce this girl into having sex with him.

There's a lot of shades of gray on the scumbag scale. White's on that scale, for sure, but I'm also not sure he's "irredeemable," as someone else in this thread said.

[GeezerSteve]

But it also doesn't appear to be overtly sexual, and it doesn't seem like White was trying to use his position or power to coerce this girl into having sex with him.

Are you conflating workplace harassment with rape? It seems to be about him exerting undue control over her: Demanding that she cut her hair short. When she politely declared her "decision" to keep it long, he responded "your decision to not do what I'm asking," which fairly translates to "how dare you refuse to obey me," and then firing her from the band and refusing to pay her for performed work because she would not chop her hair off, as if she were his slave. And forcing her to watch disgusting bear snuff/sex porn and priest/nun/smeared poop porn when she was 17 or 18 and an employee of his solely owned corporation.

There's a lot of shades of gray on the scumbag scale.

I agree, with Al Franken near one end and Harvey Weinstein near the other end. White is somewhere in between. Al Franken got forced out of the U.S. Senate.

. . . but I'm also not sure he's "irredeemable," as someone else in this thread said.

Did you read the part about her being 17 or 18? How about the part where he asked the court to compel the victim to have a mental health examination, which is a completely fucked up thing to do to a victim of sexual harassment. What about him degrading a cab driver, yelling at him, "you suck cocks for a living?"

And now he's says he regrets his bad behavior and dismissing it as mere "gossip," probably because his PR professional told him to do so. At least Louis CK had the guts to apologize forthwith after the allegations become public. That's what an attempt for redemption looks like.

Nah, the guy is a piece of shit and always will be. But, hey, he's a really fucking great snowboarder.

[toast2266]

It seems to be about him exerting undue control over her: Demanding that she cut her hair short. When she politely declared her "decision" to keep it long, he responded "your decision to not do what I'm asking," which fairly translates to "how dare you refuse to obey me," and then firing her from the band and refusing to pay her for performed work because she would not chop her hair off, as if she were his slave.

I'd imagine it's a fairly regular occurrence for a band manager to dictate the band's appearance. Do you think [insert kid in boy band] has any real control over his appearance? I'd be awfully surprised if there wasn't a clause in their contracts giving control over image to some manager.

Which doesn't mean White's conduct was ok - he clearly handled the situation extremely poorly, and the way he went about it was inappropriate. But the fact that he tried to control her appearance doesn't, in and of itself, seem horrendously out of the ordinary in that industry.

I agree, with Al Franken near one end and Harvey Weinstein near the other end. White is somewhere in between. Al Franken got forced out of the U.S. Senate.

Yup, absolutely.

And now he's says he regrets his bad behavior and dismissing it as mere "gossip," probably because his PR professional told him to do so. At least Louis CK had the guts to apologize forthwith after the allegations become public. That's what an attempt for redemption looks like.

LCK forced women to watch him masturbate. I'd call that worse than what White did.

But LCK issued what appears to be a sincere apology. So does that make him better than White? On the scumbag scale, is LCK closer to Franken than White, having committed a terrible act, followed by actual efforts towards redemption? I don't know the answer to that.

But I think it's dangerous to use the same language to label White as we do for people like Weinstein. White is a moderate level douche. Weinstein is a legitimately terrible predator. But acting like White's actions are soooo terrible and saying he's irredeemable elevates White's conduct beyond what it really was, and it allows people like Weinstein to get lost in the noise. And I'll be the first to admit that this creates a difficult situation, and requires far more nuance than the daily news cycle (and probably this forum) is realistically capable of.