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  1. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracer88_00 View Post
    My mistake was a failure to inspect the line prior to skiing it...I fell into the fallacy...i fell into that trap and let my guard down...
    Nice. Failure analysis, plus some failure meta-analysis about the human lapse. Like all humans, you knew, but lapsed anyway. All humans have momentary lapses (and aside: we are all even capable of longterm mindtraps or "trances" that we might have a hard time snapping ourselves out of without some kind of external trigger). IMO, our own lapses are the key risk to be managed. To your credit, your overconfidence was not based on a falsehood---it was based on a fact, that Patrol would back you up in a worst-case outcome, and you were right about that.

    Quote Originally Posted by skiracer88_00 View Post
    ...I'm not sure that the buddy system would have helped me here...
    I completely agree. My earlier suggestion to ponder "the buddy system" vs. solo, was intended to trigger thought about how to stay on top of risk management without getting burned by lapses, while continuing to face risk solo as much as you want. For me, what I try to do is to "imprint" something on my brain that will still be present and influencing me even when a lapse occurs. If you buy any of my fuzzy mumbo jumbo here, well, each person could think of their own powerful or profound thing to imprint on themselves, but mine is the following. As a young math nerd, I could intentionally indulge in blowing my own mind by pondering profound significances in the difference between 0 and 1. Later as a mountaineer, I decided to similarly indulge in pondering profound significances in the difference between solo vs 2-person risk management---1 vs 2. (The differences are fundamental, powerful, and profound to me.) Because of that intentional "imprinting", when I'm solo in the mountains, I believe there's more frequently something present in the back of my mind that helps pull me back during lapses.

    ...Sometimes I wonder if other mountain people nerd out on meta risk management in human systems, but I won't hijack this thread with my unscientific mumbo jumbo.

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  2. #77
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    ...(yawn)...

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    I am surprised ski patrol has the 4th gulley open. It’s pretty fucking sketchy and I’ve never done it.

    They should probably rope that one off or have some serious ropes and signage indicating the mandatory air / sketch runout required. The other 3 are pretty gnarly but not nearly the same difficulty

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTF is dat View Post
    I am surprised ski patrol has the 4th gulley open. It’s pretty fucking sketchy and I’ve never done it.

    They should probably rope that one off or have some serious ropes and signage indicating the mandatory air / sketch runout required. The other 3 are pretty gnarly but not nearly the same difficulty
    4th is the easiest one if you stick to the main line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    4th is the easiest one if you stick to the main line.
    Sorry should have clarified I am referring to the side chute where OP got into a hairy situation.

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    Glad you were able stop and get help before the situation escalated into something much worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafjell View Post
    I solo most of my days in the backcountry. Doesn't make it smart or safe.
    well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafjell View Post
    I solo most of my days in the backcountry. Doesn't make it smart or safe.
    Quote Originally Posted by DBdude View Post
    well said
    Skiing isn't smart or safe when you get right down to it. Risk is relative.

  9. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by WTF is dat View Post
    I am surprised ski patrol has the 4th gulley open. It’s pretty fucking sketchy and I’ve never done it.

    They should probably rope that one off or have some serious ropes and signage indicating the mandatory air / sketch runout required. The other 3 are pretty gnarly but not nearly the same difficulty
    Quote Originally Posted by WTF is dat View Post
    Sorry should have clarified I am referring to the side chute where OP got into a hairy situation.
    Signs might be a good idea, but a permanent closure would be very disappointing. Remember, we are having a pretty lean year. On a good year, that's one of the coolest lines back there. People have been hitting it for a long time.

    Like I said, the main lines of 1,2,and 4 are pretty easily distinguishable. Stick to those and you will be fine. Start poking around where you don't know where you are and you're going to have a bad time. It takes time to familiarize yourself with these lines. I've been skiing them for 20+ years and still get confused sometimes. That doesn't mean they should be closed though, that'd be a real shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Skiing isn't smart or safe when you get right down to it. Risk is relative.
    Not sure that's technically true, but I get your point. Still worth noting, you can mitigate risk. One of the easier ways is to ski with a smart, experienced partner.
    Do as I say, not as I do.

  11. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    Signs might be a good idea, but a permanent closure would be very disappointing. Remember, we are having a pretty lean year. On a good year, that's one of the coolest lines back there. People have been hitting it for a long time.

    Like I said, the main lines of 1,2,and 4 are pretty easily distinguishable. Stick to those and you will be fine. Start poking around where you don't know where you are and you're going to have a bad time. It takes time to familiarize yourself with these lines. I've been skiing them for 20+ years and still get confused sometimes. That doesn't mean they should be closed though, that'd be a real shame.
    For that particular spot, a sign indicating mandatory cliffs below is all I would ever suggest. I don't think that ski patrol has a responsibility to put the sign there, but it would be helpful. CB puts (sometimes comical) whiteboard signs all over the hill warning people of things like that. That approach seems to keep most people unfamiliar with the terrain out of trouble while still allowing others to get rowdy if they so desire..

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    So I learned something yesterday...apparently that little side chute into SG4 is now affectionately known by patrol as "Air Jordan"

    cool

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    Speaking of Air Jordan, nice recovery on this

    https://youtu.be/Ir_FT4EdDfc


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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    Speaking of Air Jordan, nice recovery on this

    https://youtu.be/Ir_FT4EdDfc


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    Cat like balance recovery
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    Speaking of Air Jordan, nice recovery on this

    https://youtu.be/Ir_FT4EdDfc


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    That is f'ing sick. Lucky SOB.

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    He was trying to get his feet underneath him... getting away from the snow by flying off the next cliff helped
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    Speaking of Air Jordan, nice recovery on this

    https://youtu.be/Ir_FT4EdDfc


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    Wow. That's worth quite a bit of GNAR points.

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    That wouldn’t happened if he cut his pole straps off.


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