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    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    ...Breckenridge brewery doesn't pay royalties to MTN or naming rights, Vail Brewing company doesn't either. You are making shit up.....
    Nor does Vail Fine Wines.

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    Not made up:

    Breck trademark (remember Breck was a town before the ski area existed): https://trademarks.justia.com/763/94...-76394213.html

    Vail abandoning it's attempt to trademark : "park city": https://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/1...ame-trademark/

    It should be pointed out MTN served cease and decease orders to PC companies.

    Another article about Vail trademarks:
    http://mountaintownnews.net/2016/07/...-breckenridge/

    And while this article may back your claims over some companies not paying naming rights, it definitely points out that they are beginning to "tighten the noose"

    An example of Vail trying to enforce it's trademark: https://www.aspentimes.com/news/vail...rademark-suit/

    There's tons of articles and examples of this, just use google
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    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    Um, Breck the town basically forced a lift ticket tax on Breck ski resort to build a parking garage. They ain't the best of friends. Breckenridge brewery doesn't pay royalties to MTN or naming rights, Vail Brewing company doesn't either. You are making shit up.

    And trust me, I hate that I'm standing up for Vail, but some people are just overreacting. I'm not saying that they don't do any Real Estate, they just aren't specifically a RE company.

    And who woulda ever thought so many people would be so pissed about being able to ski 100 different mountains for under a thousand bucks a season.
    1. The town had to force a tax on Vail to provide parking for their customers. Because Vail takes that for granted and thought they could use the town's parking infrastructure already in place when they sold the land for development that used to be their parking.

    2. Real Estate is a large part of MTNs portfolio. They buy ski resorts and sell land that's not essential (parking included) for development.

    3. I guarantee most of the Midwest ski areas they just purchased have season passes for around $200 a year. An epic locals is around a 100-300% increase from that. And I'm guessing a lot of those skiers don't travel west of the Mississippi often especially for skiing. They just priced more people out of the sport.

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    A bit more for a pass if you could ski here.

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    Paoli Peaks, 1st place I ever strapped on a pair of Skis after ingesting 1/2 a hit of blotter, midnight to 8 am.

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    if you are really a skier over a life, at one point; owning or buying a season at mad river

    seams mandatory.

    it's just part of the deal.

    life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brutah View Post
    Vail, the name of the town, is a trademarked entity of MTN. Anytime someone names their company "vail ......." like "vail liquor store" they pay MTN for the right to use the name. Same with Breckenridge. And while Vail may not own the town of Vail, or Breck or Keystone, they run those places. The governments/forest service basically do whatever Vail wishes.

    MTN is actively pushing the Park City ski teams off the slopes at PCMR and the Canyons in park city, utah (a town name they also unsuccessfully tried to trademark after moving to town). Probably one of the more successful race/freestyle programs in the nation. And they want the teams to train at Snowbasin or the Utah Olympic Park (which doesn't have a hill that could support GS, probably not even Salmon).

    Vail cares about profits. They could give two fucks about skiing. I worked at Vail in the early 00s, and the employees/locals at that time knew Vail was just in it for the money. Nothing has changed, except they've put more of an emphasis on profits in recent years.

    Offering a "cheap pass" is just their strategy for monopolizing the ski market. It has nothing to do with providing more access to skiing for the masses. And if the Epic local pass is the only thing available to midwest skiers they'll likely price out most skiers that frequent the 22 hills they just purchased.
    Sad to have the ski teams booted
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    Quote Originally Posted by byates1 View Post
    if you are really a skier over a life, at one point; owning or buying a season at mad river

    seams mandatory.

    it's just part of the deal.

    life.
    Vibes for anyone going through that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowaddict91 View Post
    Vibes for anyone going through that.
    hey thanks. sucks. really appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brutah View Post
    I bet Vail sold them the land that those buildings are going up on. That sounds like a real estate transaction to me.

    MTN just sold the biggest parking lots at the base of PCMR for development. Parking lots that fill up by 9 am on winter weekends and 10 am on summer weekends currently. My guess is they plan for the PC government to provide their parking lots (school lots and Park and rides) and probably an increased bus service to make up for lost parking at their ski area. They may not be the ones developing the land, but they owned it and sold it. And that's a real estate transaction.

    Real Estate isn't necessary building and selling condos. Sometimes its just selling land for others to develop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brutah View Post
    Not made up:

    Breck trademark (remember Breck was a town before the ski area existed): https://trademarks.justia.com/763/94...-76394213.html

    Vail abandoning it's attempt to trademark : "park city": http://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/18...trademark/amp/

    It should be pointed out MTN served cease and decease orders to PC companies.

    Another article about Vail trademarks:
    http://mountaintownnews.net/2016/07/...-breckenridge/

    And while this article may back your claims over some companies not paying naming rights, it definitely points that they are beginning to "tighten the noose"

    An example of Vail trying to enforce it's trademark: https://www.aspentimes.com/news/vail...rademark-suit/

    There's tons of articles and examples of this, just use google
    None of those links go to active pages. FYI


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    None of those links go to active pages. FYI
    And as far as I can tell the trademarks only cover a limited scope in naming, mostly involved with winter outdoor sports and ski school. There are a shitload of other Vail trademarks owned by companies other than MTN on the exact site you listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    None of those links go to active pages. FYI
    should be fixed and working now

    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    And as far as I can tell the trademarks only cover a limited scope in naming, mostly involved with winter outdoor sports and ski school. There are a shitload of other Vail trademarks owned by companies other than MTN on the exact site you listed.
    MTN has moved to enforce their trademark in the past, mostly unsuccessfully, but the point remains they have served cease and desist orders to local businesses in the ski towns they operate in. The main reason Vail didn't successfully register the "Park City" trademark was that they began serving cease and desist orders to businesses while still in the appeal period. It's not a very neighborly, community-first type of thing to do.

    This is another example of Vail putting profit over everything.

    I'm definitely not making this shit up.

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    A-basin is on the mountain collective...cool!

    http://arapahoebasin.blogspot.com/20...ollective.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiracer88_00 View Post
    A-basin is on the mountain collective...cool!

    http://arapahoebasin.blogspot.com/20...ollective.html
    ABasin pass holders get 50% off at MC resorts + more perks coming later this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColMan View Post
    ABasin pass holders get 50% off at MC resorts + more perks coming later this week.
    Stoked! Nice little addition to the pass. Better than actually buying a MC. Had one a few years ago and only ended up using 3 days at Jackson because everywhere else sucked. Now I've invested $0 in it and can get a discount for pow days at those resorts. Pretty good deal for $349 all in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColMan View Post
    ABasin pass holders get 50% off at MC resorts + more perks coming later this week.
    I predict either powder alliance or loveland/monarch/ski cooper exchange days

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    So Ikon + MC = less people overall vs Epic? Is Al smoking crack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    So Ikon + MC = less people overall vs Epic? Is Al smoking crack?
    Al doesn't own A-Basin.

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    Ikon Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by skiracer88_00 View Post
    Al doesn't own A-Basin.
    I know but he stated the reason for not renewing with Epic were the crowds/parking situation. Now two other pass holders can access the Basin? How is the parking situation going to be better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    I know but he stated the reason for not renewing with Epic were the crowds/parking situation. Now two other pass holders can access the Basin? How is the parking situation going to be better?
    Because the Epic multitudes won't be there all year round?

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    Because they will all blow their 2-7 days over Xmas break and we will have the mountain to ourselves for the rest of the season.

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    Dont forget a day or two on Spring Break.

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    ^^^ hope so

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