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Thread: Ikon Pass
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08-07-2019, 03:09 PM #2551
What is the argument here? There's a lot of trains of thought in here so it's not clear, but is the argument that AB is wrong, that their business decision to go Ikon/MC will result in less revenue for them? I have a hard time imagining that, if the numbers bounced around in this thread are even close to accurate re reimbursement rate from VR/Alterra. Moreover, I have a hard time imagining it because the people who have the actual numbers -- ABasin management -- made this business decision. And not out of the goodness of their hearts to us Ikoners.
Or is the argument more the "I wanted to ski AB and buy an Epic pass, and now that is more expensive so I am going to bitch about what a dumb decision AB made"?"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
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08-07-2019, 03:27 PM #2552
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08-07-2019, 03:32 PM #2553
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08-07-2019, 03:48 PM #2554
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08-07-2019, 03:49 PM #2555
all these people skiing is killing the sport. When I started skiing in CO 25 years ago it cost $1100 for a pass to Vail and Beaver Creek. It was still pretty damn busy, long lift lines, traffic etc. Now I can get a pass to a shitload of resorts, for less than a grand, and ski anywhere I want. Living through the evolution of the Epic pass has really not been nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Of course, I have a flexible schedule and ski 80-100 days a season, so maybe I’m just used to it and know when and where to go. I rarely wait in lift lines honestly.
If Epikon is going to ruin skiing, I haven’t seen it yet.
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08-07-2019, 03:57 PM #2556
Well, what is your point?
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08-07-2019, 03:58 PM #2557
Yeah. Quit skiing people!
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08-07-2019, 04:02 PM #2558
US ski areas being swallowed up by an ever bigger duopoly. Evidence of the "experience" being worsened ... although cheaper... but only for some (those paying more - or getting less are usually locals for whom the travelling benefits are less valuable then for brekfast buffet crowd). The pressure on smaller independent ski areas... it's been discussed here before at length... long term this is not going to be good.
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08-07-2019, 04:10 PM #2559
Ikon Pass
Meh.
“This is not going to be good”. Isn’t a compelling argument in my book.
It’s economics in action. Whether the outcome is “good” is a totally subjective measure.
Maybe some independent mountains get crushed and close down. Although in Colorado the demographics are of an increasing population that chases the outdoors. Berthoud pass closed down some 20 years ago, but I’m sure they’d make it, regardless of the Ikon/Epic.
I’d bet that in WA, ID, MT, the population growth is similar.
So where’s the pain, small Midwest independents?
And as far as the locals go, the resorts aren’t there primarily for the cadres of transplanted locals, they’re businesses and if they think joining IKON is in their interest then they should.
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08-07-2019, 04:17 PM #2560Originally Posted by blurred
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08-07-2019, 04:19 PM #2561
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08-07-2019, 04:23 PM #2562
Long term what isn't good is the Boomers, who built the sport, dying off, with not much replacing them.
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08-07-2019, 04:25 PM #2563
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08-07-2019, 04:30 PM #2564
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08-07-2019, 04:48 PM #2565
Well many resorts will close or run reduces seasons due to climate change (thanks again Boomers) so the ski industry capacity will shrink "naturally" to match shrinking participation.
Long biking season...Originally Posted by blurred
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08-07-2019, 05:03 PM #2566
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08-07-2019, 05:16 PM #2567
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08-07-2019, 05:19 PM #2568
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08-07-2019, 05:23 PM #2569
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08-07-2019, 06:35 PM #2570
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08-07-2019, 08:30 PM #2571
They're also paying for a lot of younger people out on the hills. So, when those funds and credit cards die.....
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08-07-2019, 08:33 PM #2572
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08-07-2019, 08:41 PM #2573
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08-07-2019, 08:53 PM #2574
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08-07-2019, 09:46 PM #2575
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