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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredhead View Post
    I met Jay Kemmerer in 93 when he came down to Aspen to look at our gondola. He told me he would like to replace the tram with a Gondi, but it’s too windy.
    Interesting

    As much as I love and worship the big red box, the lines are so crazy these days. A Gondi would bump the bowl, but ob laps would be so much easier

    But then his legacy would be “the dude that ripped the soul from Jackson hole”
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMicG View Post
    In a few years I see the premium destinations stepping back from the superpasses. Too much local push back, and quality of product is front of mind. Jackson landed on the big red design in part because they realized a standard gondola would bring to many people to rendezvous and degrade the quality and ruin the experience skiing it. They realize ikon is doing the same thing
    ^^^This.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinFromSA View Post
    That's an excelllent point. For the $209/day that Vail wants for ticket prices, multiply that by a family of 4 or 5 for the course of a week, and you could easily fund a trip to the Alps with the difference you'll save. Not that I have any plans to go to Vail, though. Support your local mom & pop operations, folks! Thankfully some people still keeping it real out there.
    I priced out a trip to Europe this winter to either the Arlberg or Switzerland. With airfare, hotel, train to resort, and estimated food and bev with 7 day lift tickets, it came out to be almost the same price as a trip to an Epic or Ikon pass resort in CO or UT. Only reason I didn't pull the trigger on Europe this year was mainly due to some serious work projects and dealing with the jet lag issues of a short week long trip. But how long before the local hill isn't so local?
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    $209 day tickets for vail

    I called bs, but it’s on their website.
    In March!

    It was only a few years ago that resorts dared to cross the 100 mark at Christmas

    Fuck vail
    Fuck epic
    Fuck ikon
    Fuck the mega passes
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    holy scheise...

    50% of the day rate is, over a $100, whaaaa???

    I always suspected that was part of their plan.
    Aggressive in my own mind

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    I just got a pamphlet in the mail about it but it just gave prices and not the resorts


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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    $209 day tickets for vail

    I called bs, but it’s on their website.
    In March!
    Haha. Yup. I had to check it out for myself first before saying anything and sure enough.

    Not gonna lie. These resorts going so sky high in their pricing that they're starting to make places like Chamonix sound a LOT more appealing.
    https://www.chamonix.com/ski-passes-...nc,225,en.html
    Mont Blanc unlimited pass: 6 days for 315€ with a bunch of benefits, and the skiing sure as hell should smoke Vail. Haha.

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    I love how people get so pissed about how much a Vail day pass costs, but in the same breath say how much the mountain sucks. Who cares how much they charge? I have 10 days to ski there on my epic and never use more than 1-2 of them. I own a place at the base of Beaver Creek and I don’t ski there, I rent it out to folks who pay $209 for a day pass and love to ski flat groomers all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ULLRismyco-pilot View Post
    I love how people get so pissed about how much a Vail day pass costs, but in the same breath say how much the mountain sucks. Who cares how much they charge?
    I don't think many of us are complaining about Vail ticket prices so much as how it's indicative of where the industry is quickly headed. What is Big Sky now for a ticket window price these days? $154/day? Pretty sure that's been hiked substantially from only a few years ago. I think when I moved to MT, Big Sky was like $78 or so per day and you could get Moonlight discount tickets for like $40. We're seeing pretty dramatic price hikes across the board at all the large resorts. That's fine by me, though. Just more incentive to support my favorite independent hills more frequently instead. Which reminds me. Time for another trip to Showdown!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    I priced out a trip to Europe this winter to either the Arlberg or Switzerland. With airfare, hotel, train to resort, and estimated food and bev with 7 day lift tickets, it came out to be almost the same price as a trip to an Epic or Ikon pass resort in CO or UT. Only reason I didn't pull the trigger on Europe this year was mainly due to some serious work projects and dealing with the jet lag issues of a short week long trip. But how long before the local hill isn't so local?
    ^This is why we have dragged 3 kids across the pond a bunch of times. Only reason we don't at the moment is ski team and all the obligations and time we are paying for at Mammoth. The experience of going to Yurp is also so much more interesting and "fun" than a US trip. Throw in free plane tickets from CC miles and that makes the Yurp trip cheaper than a US trip.

    The IKON does change that for us. We would consider a fam trip to an IKON resort now, whereas last year we wouldn't have. We are locked into the IKON since Alterra bought Mammoth. That is our season pass for Mammoth so works out well for us.

    I do wonder how the industry thinks they will attract new participants when to get rentals, a lift pass, and lessons is >$200 or $250 a day at most "resorts". We looked into it for a friend and were just blown away. How do you take a family skiing that has never done it remotely affordably? Very challenging. In Yurp, we could get lessons, lunch, and lifts for the kids for something like $350 a WEEK!?!? and that was somewhere reasonably expensive, ala St. Anton.
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    Telluride

    https://www.telluridenews.com/the_wa...b022ea21d.html
    Last Saturday we had 3,200 season pass skiers on the mountain, representing 50 percent of our skier visits that day,” Jensen said. “And 500 Epic Pass skiers, representing only eight percent of skier visits that day.”

    Of the 10 or 12 busiest days this season, Jensen said, Epic users were not a factor in skier counts.

    “The factor is and will continue to be our season passholders skiing in an incredibly good snow year,” Jensen said. “And I couldn’t be happier for them.”

    When compared to the 2015-16 ski season — a strong snow season without the Epic or Mountain Collective (MC) passes, but still with the highest number of passholders — current skier numbers are up less than one percent.

    Jensen explained that Telski joined the MC Pass program from 2016-18 as a trial to attract people to the resort in hopes that they would return. He said the average skier use under the MC Pass was 2.2 days.

    “I didn’t feel that there was any economic benefit to the community,” Jensen said. “What we’re seeing now with Epic is a higher household income demographic and a stronger financial benefit to Telski and the community because guests are flying in and staying four, five, six nights and they’re spending more dollars in the community.”

    “We’re a town that, in the winter, struggles to maintain a 50 percent occupancy number,” he added. “And as these people fly in from out of state, Telluride Express benefits, the air program benefits and the lodging community benefits.”

    Michael Martelon, president and CEO of the Telluride Tourism Board, believes “Mother Nature’s generosity” has made more of an impact on winter tourism than the Epic Pass. The average length of stay, he said, affects average spend, and both are up as are mid-week occupancies.

    “Are there Epic Pass-holders on the mountain? Certainly,” Martelon said. “But with the embarrassment of riches blanketing the San Juans, we’re enjoying a ski season that looks to be a benchmark for us. The Epic did what the resort claimed it would: Had a positive impact reversing shorter stays, introduced Telluride to a new marketing footprint, increased average spend and in turn, produced more employment opportunities and pushed sales tax up for both towns.”

    Matt Skinner, COO of Telluride’s Colorado Flights Alliance, said that the number of passengers flying into Montrose and Telluride airports is up 10 percent over last winter, which he anticipates will make for the largest year yet for air traffic.

    “With the additional length of stay on these passholders and potential incremental visits, it does appear that the Epic Pass is contributing to destination visitation this winter,” Skinner said.

    As for the locals’ benefit from the Epic Pass, Jensen pointed out that season passholders enjoy 50 percent off tickets at Vail Resorts and Telski employees get $50 lift tickets at the same resorts.

    In order to avoid crowding, Jensen said that Telski deliberately “fenced” passholders who could come to Telluride.

    “We were very cautious in our agreement on Epic to only accept the full Epic product,” Jensen said. “Jackson Hole, for example, did not fence their Ikon Pass product. You can buy the cheapest Ikon Pass and be able to ski a limited number of days at Jackson Hole and Big Sky. With the Epic Pass, you have to buy the most expensive pass to get seven days.”
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    Seen in an Alta bathroom...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobMc View Post
    Seen in an Alta bathroom...

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    why were you in the ladies room?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    why were you in the ladies room?
    SEEN, not I saw.

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    Yeah, so, where'd you SEE it.

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    The problem with the ski high walk up is it discourages the occasional trip to a resort you don't have a pass for. Granted, nobody wants to ski Vail, but it does happen where situations occur one one finds oneself at such a place. I skied Vail once, mostly to hit East Vail (they shut it down after our first lap) and so skied a few more runs in-bounds. I would love to hit up a day at Whistler, (did that before and after a hut trip, but now probably won't go back to that hut) but it is no longer on my pass, and I just can''t see myself paying walk up prices.

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hutash View Post
    The problem with the ski high walk up is it discourages the occasional trip to a resort you don't have a pass for. Granted, nobody wants to ski Vail, but it does happen where situations occur one one finds oneself at such a place. I skied Vail once, mostly to hit East Vail (they shut it down after our first lap) and so skied a few more runs in-bounds. I would love to hit up a day at Whistler, (did that before and after a hut trip, but now probably won't go back to that hut) but it is no longer on my pass, and I just can''t see myself paying walk up prices.
    This. Skied one day at Alta, and one day at DV last week when I was there on a biz trip, and those two days of walk up rates were like half the price of an IKON pass. It doesn't make sense to NOT buy the pass really.

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    Should I get the epic pass or ikon pass next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ireallyliketoski View Post
    Should I get the epic pass or ikon pass next year?
    Cover it all and get both. Still probably cheaper than the gold pass to JH.

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    I remember the good 'ol days in the 90's when the wife & I took a trip out to Salt Lake and skied a different place each day - Alta, Snowbird, Solitude, Deer Valley, Canyons, Snow Basin. We bought window tickets each day. There is no way we could/would do that now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkhound Odin View Post
    I remember the good 'ol days in the 90's when the wife & I took a trip out to Salt Lake and skied a different place each day - Alta, Snowbird, Solitude, Deer Valley, Canyons, Snow Basin. We bought window tickets each day. There is no way we could/would do that now.
    You could buy the $10 off discounted tickets from the website, save time and money!

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    I remember when you could buy Alta tickets at the 7/11 for $19
    Go on Now
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    Yeah well I remember when you could walk up to the window and pay 12.

    This is going to backfire for a lot of larger areas. It is ridiculous to charge $ 154.00 a day walk up while at the same time collecting around $53.00 a day for an IKON passholder from Alterra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttahflake View Post
    I remember when you could buy Alta tickets at the 7/11 for $19
    Go on Now
    Shit I could ski all season on a ten punch pass once you figured out how to avoid getting punched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supermoon View Post
    Shit I could ski all season on a ten punch pass once you figured out how to avoid getting punched.
    Asking for a miracle was 50/50 on getting punched
    Once on the upper mountain, no punches

    The other scam was to clip a pass from the upper mountain and send it to the base with a fresh wicket.
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