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Thread: Ikon Pass
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03-15-2019, 11:09 AM #1826
I don't think many of us are complaining about Vail ticket prices so much as how it's indicative of where the industry is quickly headed. What is Big Sky now for a ticket window price these days? $154/day? Pretty sure that's been hiked substantially from only a few years ago. I think when I moved to MT, Big Sky was like $78 or so per day and you could get Moonlight discount tickets for like $40. We're seeing pretty dramatic price hikes across the board at all the large resorts. That's fine by me, though. Just more incentive to support my favorite independent hills more frequently instead. Which reminds me. Time for another trip to Showdown!
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03-15-2019, 11:46 AM #1827
^This is why we have dragged 3 kids across the pond a bunch of times. Only reason we don't at the moment is ski team and all the obligations and time we are paying for at Mammoth. The experience of going to Yurp is also so much more interesting and "fun" than a US trip. Throw in free plane tickets from CC miles and that makes the Yurp trip cheaper than a US trip.
The IKON does change that for us. We would consider a fam trip to an IKON resort now, whereas last year we wouldn't have. We are locked into the IKON since Alterra bought Mammoth. That is our season pass for Mammoth so works out well for us.
I do wonder how the industry thinks they will attract new participants when to get rentals, a lift pass, and lessons is >$200 or $250 a day at most "resorts". We looked into it for a friend and were just blown away. How do you take a family skiing that has never done it remotely affordably? Very challenging. In Yurp, we could get lessons, lunch, and lifts for the kids for something like $350 a WEEK!?!? and that was somewhere reasonably expensive, ala St. Anton.Last edited by comish; 03-15-2019 at 12:17 PM.
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03-15-2019, 12:23 PM #1828
Telluride
https://www.telluridenews.com/the_wa...b022ea21d.html
Last Saturday we had 3,200 season pass skiers on the mountain, representing 50 percent of our skier visits that day,” Jensen said. “And 500 Epic Pass skiers, representing only eight percent of skier visits that day.”
Of the 10 or 12 busiest days this season, Jensen said, Epic users were not a factor in skier counts.
“The factor is and will continue to be our season passholders skiing in an incredibly good snow year,” Jensen said. “And I couldn’t be happier for them.”
When compared to the 2015-16 ski season — a strong snow season without the Epic or Mountain Collective (MC) passes, but still with the highest number of passholders — current skier numbers are up less than one percent.
Jensen explained that Telski joined the MC Pass program from 2016-18 as a trial to attract people to the resort in hopes that they would return. He said the average skier use under the MC Pass was 2.2 days.
“I didn’t feel that there was any economic benefit to the community,” Jensen said. “What we’re seeing now with Epic is a higher household income demographic and a stronger financial benefit to Telski and the community because guests are flying in and staying four, five, six nights and they’re spending more dollars in the community.”
“We’re a town that, in the winter, struggles to maintain a 50 percent occupancy number,” he added. “And as these people fly in from out of state, Telluride Express benefits, the air program benefits and the lodging community benefits.”
Michael Martelon, president and CEO of the Telluride Tourism Board, believes “Mother Nature’s generosity” has made more of an impact on winter tourism than the Epic Pass. The average length of stay, he said, affects average spend, and both are up as are mid-week occupancies.
“Are there Epic Pass-holders on the mountain? Certainly,” Martelon said. “But with the embarrassment of riches blanketing the San Juans, we’re enjoying a ski season that looks to be a benchmark for us. The Epic did what the resort claimed it would: Had a positive impact reversing shorter stays, introduced Telluride to a new marketing footprint, increased average spend and in turn, produced more employment opportunities and pushed sales tax up for both towns.”
Matt Skinner, COO of Telluride’s Colorado Flights Alliance, said that the number of passengers flying into Montrose and Telluride airports is up 10 percent over last winter, which he anticipates will make for the largest year yet for air traffic.
“With the additional length of stay on these passholders and potential incremental visits, it does appear that the Epic Pass is contributing to destination visitation this winter,” Skinner said.
As for the locals’ benefit from the Epic Pass, Jensen pointed out that season passholders enjoy 50 percent off tickets at Vail Resorts and Telski employees get $50 lift tickets at the same resorts.
In order to avoid crowding, Jensen said that Telski deliberately “fenced” passholders who could come to Telluride.
“We were very cautious in our agreement on Epic to only accept the full Epic product,” Jensen said. “Jackson Hole, for example, did not fence their Ikon Pass product. You can buy the cheapest Ikon Pass and be able to ski a limited number of days at Jackson Hole and Big Sky. With the Epic Pass, you have to buy the most expensive pass to get seven days.”. . .
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03-15-2019, 12:53 PM #1829
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03-15-2019, 01:39 PM #1830Banned
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03-15-2019, 01:42 PM #1831
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03-15-2019, 02:14 PM #1832
Yeah, so, where'd you SEE it.
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03-15-2019, 02:32 PM #1833
The problem with the ski high walk up is it discourages the occasional trip to a resort you don't have a pass for. Granted, nobody wants to ski Vail, but it does happen where situations occur one one finds oneself at such a place. I skied Vail once, mostly to hit East Vail (they shut it down after our first lap) and so skied a few more runs in-bounds. I would love to hit up a day at Whistler, (did that before and after a hut trip, but now probably won't go back to that hut) but it is no longer on my pass, and I just can''t see myself paying walk up prices.
I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...iscariot
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03-15-2019, 02:37 PM #1834
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03-15-2019, 03:34 PM #1835
Should I get the epic pass or ikon pass next year?
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03-15-2019, 03:36 PM #1836Banned
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03-15-2019, 03:46 PM #1837
I remember the good 'ol days in the 90's when the wife & I took a trip out to Salt Lake and skied a different place each day - Alta, Snowbird, Solitude, Deer Valley, Canyons, Snow Basin. We bought window tickets each day. There is no way we could/would do that now.
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03-15-2019, 04:00 PM #1838
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03-15-2019, 04:59 PM #1839
I remember when you could buy Alta tickets at the 7/11 for $19
Go on Nowcrab in my shoe mouth
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03-15-2019, 05:20 PM #1840
Yeah well I remember when you could walk up to the window and pay 12.
This is going to backfire for a lot of larger areas. It is ridiculous to charge $ 154.00 a day walk up while at the same time collecting around $53.00 a day for an IKON passholder from Alterra.
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03-15-2019, 06:11 PM #1841
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03-15-2019, 10:25 PM #1842
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03-15-2019, 11:57 PM #1843
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03-16-2019, 04:53 AM #1844
See dude? Told ya!
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03-16-2019, 06:54 AM #1845
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03-16-2019, 07:25 AM #1846
It's fucking stunning. Had a bluebird day at La Plagne today with a little fresh. Jezuz.
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03-16-2019, 07:28 AM #1847
Yeah, it’s no Breckenridge... but it is pretty sweet.
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03-16-2019, 07:39 AM #1848
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03-16-2019, 08:39 AM #1849Registered User
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03-16-2019, 10:44 AM #1850
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