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  1. #2476
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    Holy Social media meltdown! 1200 comments, almost every one bitching. Sad day and age we live in.

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    Yeah so sad. We hate children at Disney world as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ULLRismyco-pilot View Post
    Holy Social media meltdown! 1200 comments, almost every one bitching. Sad day and age we live in.
    Yeah, EVERYONE is pissed about the “bait and switch”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Yeah, EVERYONE is pissed about the “bait and switch”.
    99% of those posts are from a Russian troll farm organized by Robert Katz and Vladimir Putin.

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    I will be bringing my lanyard over to Summit to ski with Lemon Boy if nothing else. Strange times. The Jane stayed open super late this year. If the late spring skiers go to The Basin, that will actually cost Alterra money.

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    Shredgnar gets it.

    Don't know how many a basin only passes will sell, but there are substantially fewer ikon passes sold vs epic, and abasin was unlimited with minimal restrictions on 4 VR pass products, (including the cheapest multi resort pass) now its only 5 or 7 days, the 5 being restricted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveLarge View Post
    Shredgnar gets it.

    Don't know how many a basin only passes will sell, but there are substantially fewer ikon passes sold vs epic, and abasin was unlimited with minimal restrictions on 4 VR pass products, (including the cheapest multi resort pass) now its only 5 or 7 days, the 5 being restricted.
    Not to mention VR employees, including Keystone and Breck employees, many who live a short drive away. Copper, WP, Aspen are all too far away for most employees to visit consistently.

    Just found out I'm getting a free Epic pass too. Can't wait to hear what they add to the A-Basin only pass.
    Last edited by shredgnar; 08-03-2019 at 08:13 AM.

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    One thing for certain......Ikon just pulled more CO Front Range skiers away from the Epic Pass with this move. I'm still sticking with the ABasin and Epic Local passes. 80% of Front Range Ikoners will get the Base pass and ABasin should be empty on those holiday blackout dates. Glad I added my daughter onto the ABasin pass for $99. Overall, I do think ABasin sees fewer skier visits this season, but I think we'll still see those certain weekends where it will look just like the Epic crowds.......mountain is 100% open, Gratz calls for the most snow at high elevation areas along the Divide, yada, yada, yada.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesterSmoove View Post
    IKON may not be a good sustainable business model for every independent resort though. not sure about A-Basin, but I think Jackson Hole would actually be better off financially as an independent premium resort in the long run. if every place is getting overcrowded, there will be a market for relatively uncrowded options at a higher price. doubt that applies to solitude...nice as it is, it doesn't have the draw and cache of JH and solitude is probably making bank compared to pre-ikon.

    it's just silly for every major resort to go with the high volume low price model across the board. let's hope that when the original alterra contracts are up, capitalism gives us at least 1 traditional resort that isn't an over-capacity shitshow.

    capitalists are risk-averse sheep sometimes. A-basin had a strong bargaining position with Alterra this year, so they could boost their redemptions over what vail would pay, but they would be fucked if they tried to go it alone for 19/20 and had a bad snow year or unexpectedly low financial performance. alterra would know, and alterra would twist the knife in negotiations if a-basin came crawling back.
    I love that people think a ski resort sees overcrowding and long lift lines as a problem. That looks like success to me!

    You want uncrowded resorts? It's called the Yellowstone club (which I hear has lift lines occasionally). There's a private ski resort in the beginning stages of development in the works in Utah.

    The ikon pass is guaranteed money. Bad snow year, you still get paid. Good snow year, getting paid. It's foolish to think most ski resorts view this as problematic as the skiers. Plus I was told Alta received a phat check upfront when they signed their 3 year contract. Guaranteed money is key when one bad snow year can destroy an independent ski area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brutah View Post
    Guaranteed money is key when one bad snow year can destroy an independent ski area.
    I don't disagree with your main thesis. But it is going to take a series of really all-time horrible years to potentially threaten Abasin. And if Abasin is fucked for bad snow, well the entirety of Colorado probably is.

    The idea that Abasin couldn't operate sustainably as an independent ski area is just a misnomer. There is a very similar area a few miles away, similar number of lifts, similar amount of terrain to control, way less notoriety and fame. And its a sustainable operation.

    The Ikon pass is how Abasin feels like it can maximize long-term profits. Ain't nothing wrong with that, lets just call a spade a spade. Al preaches a big game, and I for one think he believes it. But he doesn't own the resort -- it's owned by a real estate investment group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    I don't disagree with your main thesis. But it is going to take a series of really all-time horrible years to potentially threaten Abasin. And if Abasin is fucked for bad snow, well the entirety of Colorado probably is.
    What is ABasin? Do you mean A-Bay?

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    The Ikon pass is how participating areas feel like it can maximize long-term profits. Ain't nothing wrong with that, lets just call a spade a spade.
    FIFY.

    People tend to forget, skiing at resorts is a business model, plain and simple. If a business loses money long enough it is no longer IN business.

    I worked for a cool operation that thought, "Skiing is an amenity and hey if we have a bad year we sell a few more lots and make it up". They went bankrupt and were bought and consolidated, but for 10 years it was really a fun place to work and ski, now not so much.

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    Ottime, yeah... Kirkwood is shhweet. Some of my best days were had at the Wood last year. Hope you're doing well, man.

    Best MEX

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    For the record, this is a great time to be without kids and single while living in an RV. The Epic and Ikon passes have really changed my life for the better. I don't know what the fuck I would have in the memory banks without these big alliance passes... and there are still more adventures on the horizon. Yeehaw!

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    I prefer sleeping in beds, but, yeah.

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    Fuck the Yellowstone club, I’m joining the Cimarron Club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    I’m joining the Cimarron Club.
    go gettum...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Fuck the Yellowstone club, I’m joining the Cimarron Club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Fuck the Yellowstone club, I’m joining the Cimarron Club.
    Cimarron Mountain Club??? Yesterday's news...

    I'm starting my own club, Club Mag - an All Inclusive Resort for Mags

    https://hallhall.com/property-for-sa...91Y00001wIy27/

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpinevibes View Post
    Cimarron Mountain Club??? Yesterday's news...

    I'm starting my own club, Club Mag - an All Inclusive Resort for Mags

    https://hallhall.com/property-for-sa...91Y00001wIy27/
    is this the hedgefund guy... jones dude ranch ?....the skii hill looks a little (L)tame...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    FIFY.

    People tend to forget, skiing at resorts is a business model, plain and simple. If a business loses money long enough it is no longer IN business.

    I worked for a cool operation that thought, "Skiing is an amenity and hey if we have a bad year we sell a few more lots and make it up". They went bankrupt and were bought and consolidated, but for 10 years it was really a fun place to work and ski, now not so much.
    Yep, Vail was the first ski area congomerate to put the focus on skiing rather than real estate. That in itself is kind of cool, it was just a bit too successful and led to overcrowding. I really felt like Vail was laying the groundwork for little ski areas to become profitable again...that is until they started buying up literally everyone.

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    You're young, aren't you? Vail put the emphasis on skiing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    You're young, aren't you? Vail put the emphasis on skiing?
    I would like to know when this happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    I would like to know when this happened.
    Late nineties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    Late nineties.
    Buddy Pass'd.
    I used to hike 2 hours for 10 minutes of turns on 207 gs skis, without needing “skins” or “hike mode.” Tell me again how I’m a gaper.
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