Ikon Pass

[PNWbrit]

What corporation?

https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/c...l-partners-llc

[Benny Profane]

https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/c...l-partners-llc

Hmm....I never knew. Those smart private equity guys have to figure out more parking. Tough one.

[cmsummit]

https://www.bloomberg.com/profiles/c...l-partners-llc

KSL doesn't own A-Basin, Dundee Resort Development does, a subsidiary of Dream Corp....
https://www.dream.ca/

[PNWbrit]

KSL doesn't own A-Basin, Dundee Resort Development does, a subsidiary of Dream Corp....
https://www.dream.ca/

But they do own Alterra and the whole Ikon pass business?

[Benny Profane]

I was focusing in on Abasin.

Still somebody has to invent more parking. Doubtful.

[GKWood]

Are you serious?
I have barely started using mine. For me, it is a Spring pass, required because someone at Vailwood has a head up an ass somewhere.
Two Springs seasons on one pass.
Plus Mammoth in July. It was paid off last year in two weekends.
Surely you are joking.

My brother visited me coming from Europe and he got an IKON Base pass he only used for ~3 weeks. It's probaby pretty rare but there are situations out there so might as well ask.

[Shredhead]

But they do own Alterra and the whole Ikon pass business?

60%
Henry Crown & Co. 40%

[whyturn]

Your ikon pass does not ensure you will ski if resort is over sold or lot is full. They already got your money they don’t claim you will actually ski. You get to go to these resorts and see them. Nice

[boardtodeath]

This is what escapes people, Ski Areas are in the business of maximizing revenue, they have come up with a new method.

I am over bitching about it and now I go out of my way to be nice to our new buddies.

Just like how cable companies such as comcast oversell their capabilities (bandwidth) to maximize short term profit, even when their infrastructure can literally not support everyone using the service at the speeds they have paid for, it is possible for other industries to oversell their capacity for short term gain. This may lead to people taking their business elsewhere, meaning that long term it may not be a winning strategy.

In the USA we seem incapable of looking beyond the next couple quarters or years, so this isn't surprising, but I wish we still lived in an era in which businesses focused first on their long term profitability and viability instead of trying to maximize profit RIGHT NOW GO GO GO

[Foggy_Goggles]

Your ikon pass does not ensure you will ski if resort is over sold or lot is full. They already got your money they don’t claim you will actually ski. You get to go to these resorts and see them. Nice

Just like any other season pass since forever?

I think you are a Bird local right? You guys in LCC are great at not carpooling and not taking the bus. I know it sucks and I know it is not how it used to be but we are inventing new and different ways to complain.

[Name Redacted]

If you try to get to any resort at 10:30 on a Saturday, you are doing it wrong and shouldn't be disappointed if you get shitty or no parking. But if you just go back to town, grab some breakfast and give it another shot around 12:30 you'll roll right in. That's just how it is. You can't expect the world to conform to your expectations.

[Foggy_Goggles]

If you try to get to any resort at 10:30 on a Saturday, you are doing it wrong and shouldn't be disappointed if you get shitty or no parking. But if you just go back to town, grab some breakfast and give it another shot around 12:30 you'll roll right in. That's just how it is. You can't expect the world to conform to your expectations.

I don't know if you have been up LCC lately but it has reached it's own special type of retarded. As in it might take you as long to go Sandy>Alta as it does to go Lakewood>Vail. And then you get there and there is no parking. I know 20+ year passholders who certainly know what's up. The only was they do it on the weekends is leave downtown by 6:30 drive up to the bird at use there $250+ parking pass, ski all day and then hang out in the P Dog until the traffic is done. You Colorado Traffic Management Techniques will not work there.

[Whiteroom_Guardian]

Its good to see that IKONation is living up to their rep as difficult to please whiners.

You ain't never gonna get more skiing for less money. Buy the pass, manage the crowds. Smile. Be a welcome guest while in vacation. Learn now to carry your skis in the tram line. Don't stop on traverses. Lanyard on the outside.

And realize that skiing with a group of 6 people of varying abilities is a terrible idea which just results in a shitload of lost people standing directly in front of or even IN the maze. If you are waiting for someone you wait off to the side outside of the maze. This is just common courtesy.

[Name Redacted]

I don't know if you have been up LCC lately but it has reached it's own special type of retarded. As in it might take you as long to go Sandy>Alta as it does to go Lakewood>Vail. And then you get there and there is no parking. I know 20+ year passholders who certainly know what's up. The only was they do it on the weekends is leave downtown by 6:30 drive up to the bird at use there $250+ parking pass, ski all day and then hang out in the P Dog until the traffic is done. You Colorado Traffic Management Techniques will not work there.

Yeah, unfortunately I haven't. But if I lived in SLC, I wouldn't head up LCC on a weekend. Or I'd book nights at the hotels up there. Last time we were there we stayed at the Cliff lodge, courtesy of the wife's conference/employer. That was easy breezy.

But yeah, I live very close to Abasin, and would not even attempt to ski a Saturday with new snow at the resort. That does bum me out but it has always been that way, it is just my tolerance for crowds that has waned.

[Benny Profane]

Yeah, unfortunately I haven't. But if I lived in SLC, I wouldn't head up LCC on a weekend. Or I'd book nights at the hotels up there. Last time we were there we stayed at the Cliff lodge, courtesy of the wife's conference/employer. That was easy breezy.

But yeah, I live very close to Abasin, and would not even attempt to ski a Saturday with new snow at the resort. That does bum me out but it has always been that way, it is just my tolerance for crowds that has waned.

It's ok if you wake up early and get to the lot really early. Might even get a beach spot, like that matters. What they need is a good coffee place up there open early and warm toilet seats, and you're ready!

But yeah, I might opt out for laundry. Or wait til noon and take the bus from Frisco to Copper.

[Benny Profane]

I don't know if you have been up LCC lately but it has reached it's own special type of retarded. As in it might take you as long to go Sandy>Alta as it does to go Lakewood>Vail. And then you get there and there is no parking. I know 20+ year passholders who certainly know what's up. The only was they do it on the weekends is leave downtown by 6:30 drive up to the bird at use there $250+ parking pass, ski all day and then hang out in the P Dog until the traffic is done. You Colorado Traffic Management Techniques will not work there.

That town is growing way too fast. They need a few more ski hills.

[Foggy_Goggles]

And realize that skiing with a group of 6 people of varying abilities is a terrible idea which just results in a shitload of lost people standing directly in front of or even IN the maze. If you are waiting for someone you wait off to the side outside of the maze. This is just common courtesy.

Yes and no. There are a lot of local customs at ski resorts. Unfortanatley, awareness is not a big thing in 2019 and the stereotypical IKONerd specialized in a lack of it. So ski areas need to make a choice, do they want the visitors to feel like they are fish out of water and doing it wrong or do they want to provide some type of guidance that makes everything run a bit more smoothly?

[Benny Profane]

So ski areas need to make a choice, do they want the visitors to feel like they are fish out of water and doing it wrong or do they want to provide some type of guidance that makes everything run a bit more smoothly?

I very much appreciated the first time I was at Bridger, alone on a powder morning, and a ski host wrangled me into a tour, because I didn't really know shit or even see shit. I learned a lot. And, it doesn't cost the hill squat.

[whyturn]

Just like any other season pass since forever?

I think you are a Bird local right? You guys in LCC are great at not carpooling and not taking the bus. I know it sucks and I know it is not how it used to be but we are inventing new and different ways to complain.

I am not a bird local. I ski in the north. I like the bird when it’s not a junk show. It looks that way this year. Ski with me one day and you will see the light. Or not and ski the canyons with everyone else. It’s unfortunate but it is getting busy MOST everywhere

I think most just your a lot and try to avoid people

[Foggy_Goggles]

Ski with me one day and you will see the light

Where is the light, Snowbasin, PowMow? This is the IKON thread, keep up. The Jackson smug, I expect that but Ogden smug? That's new and different. You are familiar with the Olympics right? So I think we have distilled it down to only three types of lift served skiers.

a. IKONerd (the problem)
b. Passholders at IKONic moutains (sick of the problem)
c. Passholders at non-IKONic mountains (Smug the fuck out of the problem)

[Bunion 2020]

And realize that skiing with a group of 6 people of varying abilities is a terrible idea which just results in a shitload of lost people standing directly in front of or even IN the maze. If you are waiting for someone you wait off to the side outside of the maze. This is just common courtesy.

That type of shit has been happening since forever (Jerry is Jerry for a reason) and anyone who tries to ski in a group of more than about 3-4 is insane, but you are right except that common courtesy isn't very common anymore, witness the 400 pairs of skis just left in the way near the base area on any given day when there are fucking ski racks right there.

Yes and no. There are a lot of local customs at ski resorts. Unfortanatley, awareness is not a big thing in 2019 and the stereotypical IKONerd specialized in a lack of it. So ski areas need to make a choice, do they want the visitors to feel like they are fish out of water and doing it wrong or do they want to provide some type of guidance that makes everything run a bit more smoothly?

The ski area that WRG and I both frequent excels at a lack of direction or flow.

It has been uncrowded for years and suddenly they will need to adapt to the new normal as well.

Example: Little to no maze at the bottom of one of the few open lifts with access to alpine terrain yesterday. Picture 500 people all trying their best to walk all over each other to line up at the Wait Here mark for a triple chair. I very much doubt that there was a ticket checker grouping 3s either.

[Foggy_Goggles]

I hope it is uncrowded at Big when I am there in the beginning of April. You'll know its me, lanyard on the outside, sack lunch, stopping on the traverse, clogging up the lift line.

[MarsB]

You are familiar with the Olympics right?

I don't get this reference. 2002?

[Bunion 2020]

I hope it is uncrowded at Big when I am there in the beginning of April. You'll know its me, lanyard on the outside, sack lunch, stopping on the traverse, clogging up the lift line.

Giant gap between goggles (foggy) and helmet??? Stopping every 200 yds and asking, "which way?"

[Name Redacted]

I have found that it is one of life's small joys to be a gaper at a mountain that you do not normally frequent. I usually keep it together till lunch, then after a few overpriced beers at an on mountain restaurant, I like to hit the groomers and become a total liability.