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    They're also paying for a lot of younger people out on the hills. So, when those funds and credit cards die.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Good. Perhaps all these corporate-owned mountains will go out of business and municipalities will realize that community-run ski areas can work. It'll be like the 40's/50's all over again.

    Dude, the priorities soon will be schools with books and computers, clean water, bridges that don't fall down, and paved roads. Something as frivolous as an operating ski hill will be hard to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Something as frivolous as an operating ski hill to go vacation at will be hard to find.
    FIFY.
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    And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by brutah View Post
    1. The town had to force a tax on Vail to provide parking for their customers. Because Vail takes that for granted and thought they could use the town's parking infrastructure already in place when they sold the land for development that used to be their parking.

    2. Real Estate is a large part of MTNs portfolio. They buy ski resorts and sell land that's not essential (parking included) for development.

    3. I guarantee most of the Midwest ski areas they just purchased have season passes for around $200 a year. An epic locals is around a 100-300% increase from that. And I'm guessing a lot of those skiers don't travel west of the Mississippi often especially for skiing. They just priced more people out of the sport.
    Always figure the Midwest skier was the winner with epic. Most folks I know from Chicago who ski travel west and rarely bother at home. Epic works pretty good for them and they can even ski at home if they want to get ready for their trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Long term what isn't good is the Boomers, who built the sport, dying off, with not much replacing them.
    Yeah by the time they're all gone there won't be any snow anymore anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    You must be a cool Backcountry skier, because ain't nobody going to be spinning lifts for a generation that's a trillion point five in debt just for school.
    A good chunk of that generation is also making over $100,000 a year before they turn 26 and own million dollar homes by the time they are 30. They are also skiing quite a bit, buying equipment and traveling to ski. Managed debt is really not a big deal. A college education continues to remain one of the highest ROIs out there. I wouldn’t worry too much about it, climate change is a bigger issue for the ski industry. The generation has less kids, more flexible work schedules, and will ski and spend their money on skiing differently than previous generations. We are naturally open to traveling to multiple resorts a season for 3-5 days. The traditional season of skiing at your local mountain every weekend, with one-three family trips for 3-7 family vacations is changing. How the ski experience industry adapts to this will be interesting to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Dude, the priorities soon will be schools with books and computers, clean water, bridges that don't fall down, and paved roads. Something as frivolous as an operating ski hill will be hard to find.
    Just imagine the competitive advantage it will give some communities...

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    A good chunk of that generation is also making over $100,000 a year before they turn 26 and own million dollar homes by the time they are 30.
    [Citation needed]

    Counter cite: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...al-households/

    "More Millennial households are in poverty than households headed by any other generation."

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    A-Basin added 3 days at Monarch. Nothing else in the works in sounds like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cravenmorhead View Post
    [Citation needed]

    Counter cite: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...al-households/

    "More Millennial households are in poverty than households headed by any other generation."
    Um, yeah. What world do some people live in to think that "a good chunk" of young people are doing that well? (Oh wait, this is TGR, sorry) The small minority who are probably have little time to ski.

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    The real chuckle is owning a million dollar house at 30. 100k doesn't support that note at all.
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    No “note” needed. Just save every bit of your $100,000 salary for 10 years and you have the $1 million need for the $1 million house. It’s just that simple......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Um, yeah. What world do some people live in to think that "a good chunk" of young people are doing that well? (Oh wait, this is TGR, sorry) The small minority who are probably have little time to ski.
    I parked next to a 20 something Chinese guy driving a brand new DB11 this morning.

    He's probably still deciding on Stevens or Crystal/Epic or Ikon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColMan View Post
    A-Basin added 3 days at Monarch. Nothing else in the works in sounds like.
    Nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by m2711c View Post
    No “note” needed. Just save every bit of your $100,000 salary for 10 years and you have the $1 million need for the $1 million house. It’s just that simple......
    You forget about the bank of mom and dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shredgnar View Post
    Nice!
    Wait. Where are all the Monarch locals pulling their hair out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    A good chunk of that generation is also making over $100,000 a year before they turn 26 and own million dollar homes by the time they are 30.
    Lol. Sorry to dogpile but this individual you know I’d likely put in the top .5% of all earners in their generation and are a childless couple.

    I’m 30 and my combined household income income would rank in the top 10% in the usa of my generation ~(100k combined annually). Housing, medical, and student loans (daycare too) is where all the money goes.

    On my Facebook/insta the only people taking non dirt bagging trips all come from family money.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Wait. Where are all the Monarch locals pulling their hair out?
    I know that you're just trying to be snarky, but there's nothing new about this arrangement. For a few years now, the smaller mountains have offered a few days to season pass holders of other small mountains. Monarch isn't offering 3 days to Ikon, just to AB season pass holders. And in return, I can only assume Monarch gets the same benefit at AB.
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    Monarch pass gets you 3 days at each:
    Abasin, Loveland, Cooper, Copper, Sunlight, Purgatory, Powderhorn, and a bunch others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elkhound Odin View Post
    Monarch pass gets you 3 days at each:
    Abasin, Loveland, Cooper, Copper, Sunlight, Purgatory, Powderhorn, and a bunch others
    Here’s hoping that Silverton throws in some unguided days.

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    Isn't Copper Ikon?

    Look at them playing both sides of the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    Isn't Copper Ikon?

    Look at them playing both sides of the field.
    Yup. Copper is a whore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    Isn't Copper Ikon?

    Look at them playing both sides of the field.
    Yep, and their Copper-only pass is actually a good deal.

    They're on the ikon pass as a full participant (ie unlimited days) but they're not owned by Alterra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    I know that you're just trying to be snarky, but there's nothing new about this arrangement. For a few years now, the smaller mountains have offered a few days to season pass holders of other small mountains. Monarch isn't offering 3 days to Ikon, just to AB season pass holders. And in return, I can only assume Monarch gets the same benefit at AB.
    Taos’ pass usually gets you 3 at Monarch, and vice versa. A-Basin too. But quit pissing on Bunny’s localism. The guy’s salty af.
    Don’t give up until.

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    Has the majority of the skiing consumer buying power ever really accounted for more than the wealthiest 3-5% of Americans? No. Yes, there are a shit ton of terribly poor folks in my generation; those folks were never in danger of buying an ikon pass. Just because student loan debt crippling a generation is a fun story line doesn’t mean it’s inclusive of the whole generation.
    My point is, contrary to Benny’s generalization, there is plenty of buying power for skiing in Millennials; there is also a willingness to travel often. Less have kids to tie up their finances and anchor them home on weekends. Come hang out in Seattle, Boston, Denver, Austin and other growing cities. There are a fuck ton of 25-35 yo dinks with plenty of excess income and enough free time to get into skiing; even if it means flying to a new ski area every other weekend. Personally I think Vail and Alterra have recognized this upcoming change in how the skiing demographic is going to want to spend their time and money. They generally don’t want to be tied to one ski area.
    Last edited by XavierD; 08-09-2019 at 04:46 AM.

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