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    Ikon Pass

    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    US ski areas being swallowed up by an ever bigger duopoly. Evidence of the "experience" being worsened ... although cheaper... but only for some (those paying more - or getting less are usually locals for whom the travelling benefits are less valuable then for brekfast buffet crowd). The pressure on smaller independent ski areas... it's been discussed here before at length... long term this is not going to be good.
    Meh.


    “This is not going to be good”. Isn’t a compelling argument in my book.

    It’s economics in action. Whether the outcome is “good” is a totally subjective measure.

    Maybe some independent mountains get crushed and close down. Although in Colorado the demographics are of an increasing population that chases the outdoors. Berthoud pass closed down some 20 years ago, but I’m sure they’d make it, regardless of the Ikon/Epic.

    I’d bet that in WA, ID, MT, the population growth is similar.

    So where’s the pain, small Midwest independents?

    And as far as the locals go, the resorts aren’t there primarily for the cadres of transplanted locals, they’re businesses and if they think joining IKON is in their interest then they should.


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    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    What is the argument here? There's a lot of trains of thought in here so it's not clear, but is the argument that AB is wrong, that their business decision to go Ikon/MC will result in less revenue for them? I have a hard time imagining that, if the numbers bounced around in this thread are even close to accurate re reimbursement rate from VR/Alterra. Moreover, I have a hard time imagining it because the people who have the actual numbers -- ABasin management -- made this business decision. And not out of the goodness of their hearts to us Ikoners.

    Or is the argument more the "I wanted to ski AB and buy an Epic pass, and now that is more expensive so I am going to bitch about what a dumb decision AB made"?
    My belief is that:
    1. AB will make more money
    2. AB will likely not be much less crowded, either in terms of skiers or parking, except maybe midwinter weekdays, which weren't ever crowded
    3. It is annoying for me because I have to buy an additional pass
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    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ULLRismyco-pilot View Post
    Because IKONers hate to carpool?

    I really don’t mind maxed out parking on weekends. Keep the place in business. Parking in the upper lots isn’t that bad if you just walk across the road to CDOT.
    Parking in the actual lots isn’t a problem. It’s when it’s fucking 9am on a Saturday and they’re already parking down the road near Keystone.

    Once on the mountain, the place doesn’t usually feel crowded at all skiing the good terrain.

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    Long term what isn't good is the Boomers, who built the sport, dying off, with not much replacing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    It’s economics in action.
    As I pointed out.

    In action in a way that is almost always bad for consumers..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Long term what isn't good is the Boomers, who built the sport, dying off, with not much replacing them.
    Good riddance.

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    Well many resorts will close or run reduces seasons due to climate change (thanks again Boomers) so the ski industry capacity will shrink "naturally" to match shrinking participation.

    Long biking season...
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    My belief is that:
    1. AB will make more money
    2. AB will likely not be much less crowded, either in terms of skiers or parking, except maybe midwinter weekdays, which weren't ever crowded
    3. It is annoying for me because I have to buy an additional pass
    AB's joining the Mountain Collective means 50% day tix at other MC resorts. While that's not free, for many passholders it might make more sense than getting a full IKON
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    Quote Originally Posted by ULLRismyco-pilot View Post
    Good riddance.
    You must be a cool Backcountry skier, because ain't nobody going to be spinning lifts for a generation that's a trillion point five in debt just for school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    You must be a cool Backcountry skier, because ain't nobody going to be spinning lifts for a generation that's a trillion point five in debt just for school.
    Good. Perhaps all these corporate-owned mountains will go out of business and municipalities will realize that community-run ski areas can work. It'll be like the 40's/50's all over again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ColMan View Post
    ABasin pass holders get 50% off at MC resorts + more perks coming later this week.
    Same with a Taos pass.

    Nobody goes to A-Basin anymore, it’s too crowded.
    And I guess that I just don't know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    You must be a cool Backcountry skier, because ain't nobody going to be spinning lifts for a generation that's a trillion point five in debt just for school.
    Most Boomers are already to old to ski, and here we are complaining about the crowds. Hmmm

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    They're also paying for a lot of younger people out on the hills. So, when those funds and credit cards die.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Good. Perhaps all these corporate-owned mountains will go out of business and municipalities will realize that community-run ski areas can work. It'll be like the 40's/50's all over again.

    Dude, the priorities soon will be schools with books and computers, clean water, bridges that don't fall down, and paved roads. Something as frivolous as an operating ski hill will be hard to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Something as frivolous as an operating ski hill to go vacation at will be hard to find.
    FIFY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brutah View Post
    1. The town had to force a tax on Vail to provide parking for their customers. Because Vail takes that for granted and thought they could use the town's parking infrastructure already in place when they sold the land for development that used to be their parking.

    2. Real Estate is a large part of MTNs portfolio. They buy ski resorts and sell land that's not essential (parking included) for development.

    3. I guarantee most of the Midwest ski areas they just purchased have season passes for around $200 a year. An epic locals is around a 100-300% increase from that. And I'm guessing a lot of those skiers don't travel west of the Mississippi often especially for skiing. They just priced more people out of the sport.
    Always figure the Midwest skier was the winner with epic. Most folks I know from Chicago who ski travel west and rarely bother at home. Epic works pretty good for them and they can even ski at home if they want to get ready for their trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Long term what isn't good is the Boomers, who built the sport, dying off, with not much replacing them.
    Yeah by the time they're all gone there won't be any snow anymore anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    You must be a cool Backcountry skier, because ain't nobody going to be spinning lifts for a generation that's a trillion point five in debt just for school.
    A good chunk of that generation is also making over $100,000 a year before they turn 26 and own million dollar homes by the time they are 30. They are also skiing quite a bit, buying equipment and traveling to ski. Managed debt is really not a big deal. A college education continues to remain one of the highest ROIs out there. I wouldn’t worry too much about it, climate change is a bigger issue for the ski industry. The generation has less kids, more flexible work schedules, and will ski and spend their money on skiing differently than previous generations. We are naturally open to traveling to multiple resorts a season for 3-5 days. The traditional season of skiing at your local mountain every weekend, with one-three family trips for 3-7 family vacations is changing. How the ski experience industry adapts to this will be interesting to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Dude, the priorities soon will be schools with books and computers, clean water, bridges that don't fall down, and paved roads. Something as frivolous as an operating ski hill will be hard to find.
    Just imagine the competitive advantage it will give some communities...

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    A good chunk of that generation is also making over $100,000 a year before they turn 26 and own million dollar homes by the time they are 30.
    [Citation needed]

    Counter cite: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...al-households/

    "More Millennial households are in poverty than households headed by any other generation."

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    A-Basin added 3 days at Monarch. Nothing else in the works in sounds like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cravenmorhead View Post
    [Citation needed]

    Counter cite: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...al-households/

    "More Millennial households are in poverty than households headed by any other generation."
    Um, yeah. What world do some people live in to think that "a good chunk" of young people are doing that well? (Oh wait, this is TGR, sorry) The small minority who are probably have little time to ski.

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    The real chuckle is owning a million dollar house at 30. 100k doesn't support that note at all.
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    No “note” needed. Just save every bit of your $100,000 salary for 10 years and you have the $1 million need for the $1 million house. It’s just that simple......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Um, yeah. What world do some people live in to think that "a good chunk" of young people are doing that well? (Oh wait, this is TGR, sorry) The small minority who are probably have little time to ski.
    I parked next to a 20 something Chinese guy driving a brand new DB11 this morning.

    He's probably still deciding on Stevens or Crystal/Epic or Ikon.
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