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01-16-2018, 01:00 PM #1Banned
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SRAM is 2-1/2 months early for april fools day....
Seriously, they can just fuck right off.
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01-16-2018, 01:12 PM #2
This is a bad thing... why?
Compatible with existing frames. Uses metal bb cups instead of plastic ones, which hopefully means they'll go more than a week or two before they creak. Saves a bunch of weight. Marginal increase in price.
It uses a new spindle diameter, but who cares? There's already a million different spindle options on the market, and it's not like the old standards are going to all of a sudden become unavailable.
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01-16-2018, 01:20 PM #3Banned
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01-16-2018, 01:25 PM #4Registered User
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Toast, don't you work in the industry? Customers are saying over and over: enough with all the sizes and standards. Industry people in response, like you, say: who cares? FUck.
That's why industry people can eat a bag of dicks every once-in-a-while, they don't fucking listen, smug little weenies they are.
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01-16-2018, 01:28 PM #5
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01-16-2018, 01:31 PM #6Banned
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01-16-2018, 01:34 PM #7Gluten Free Dan
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Can't wait to start reading the horror stories of people running these cranks in 30mm BBs and having shit start breaking.
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01-16-2018, 01:37 PM #8
Just saw this. Wierd. Maybe 30mm was just slightly too big to work with some of the existing gxp/24mm shells. On the other hand- 1mm smaller, really?
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01-16-2018, 01:46 PM #9
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01-16-2018, 01:48 PM #10
I write some reviews sometimes. Not sure that really qualifies me as "working in the industry." My day job is not bike related, and I don't have any dog in Sram's fight.
If they were designing something that required a different frame, I'd be more than happy to tell them to shove it. But I just don't see this as being a big deal.
For the last ~10 years, if I buy a new crankset, I'd buy it with the BB that goes along with it. This new Sram thing isn't any different. Maybe this new "Dub" thing is shit. Maybe the bearings don't last, maybe the cranks snap, maybe the pedal inserts rip out. But absent any actual information indicating that these cranks suck, I'm not going to automatically shit on them because they're slightly different.
Originally Posted by Jamal
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01-16-2018, 01:59 PM #11
But WAIT!
These are BACKWARD compatible AND FORWARD compatible!
They must be talking about physically spining the cranks backward AND forward. This system will do BOTH!
Because the other way to interpret what SRAM is claiming is that SRAM can predict every new design, years down the road, and this system will fit NO MATTER WHAT! FORWARD COMPATIBLE!
SRAM (and the industry) is so full of shit they deserve to choke on it.
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01-16-2018, 02:03 PM #12
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01-16-2018, 02:07 PM #13
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01-16-2018, 02:08 PM #14
If you had presented the video to me blind and told me it was parody I would have believed it. If you had told me it was serious I still might have guessed parody based solely on the stupid "Dub" name, let alone the mustaches and endless references to "optimization."
That said, if it really is compatible with all current frames it doesn't seem worth getting too worked up about it. BBs are a wear item. If you need new cranks you should probably replace the BB while you're at it anyway.
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01-16-2018, 02:14 PM #15
I believe this is the picture you're looking for:
But yeah. When Sram comes in and adopts a new standard that every other company in the industry is then forced to comply with (see: Boost), that pisses me off.
This isn't that. It's a new BB spindle size. That's about it. It's not like you're going to be forced into owning it because all the new frames are going to be running a different BB shell. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
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01-16-2018, 02:17 PM #16
SRAM: (faulty premise) Eagle technology is seen right now as the bench mark for drive train performance!
Me: By who? Fuck eagle 12. Give me a well spaced 8 or 9 speeds covering the same range and a more robust cassette and chain!
SRAM: by us! and many, many people! other people! many of them! we've met them! honest! you wouldn't believe how many see it this way! it's all of them, that I can tell you!
Me: So wait. Eagle is the pinnacle of performance RIGHT NOW?
SRAM: It is!
Me: Then why are you making new cranks and BB in a new "standard"! What's the shit I've been riding up to this point?
SRAM: BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS COMPATIBLE! We're making NEW STUFF because RIGHT NOW EALGE IS THE PINNACLE OF PERFORMANCE!
Me: Huh?
SRAM: Look over here ... people talking about our lab!
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01-16-2018, 02:21 PM #17
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01-16-2018, 03:55 PM #18
Unfortunately, all 2018 bike manufacturers believe it too. Have you seen the build kits for every single bike released in the last six months? They all have GX Eagle (on $5k bikes, no less) or XO1 Eagle; I can count on one hand the number of bikes I've seen with Shimano 1x11 in the last several months.
Which obviously translates to.... SRAM can do whatever the fuck they want with their drivetrains. Until the bike companies tell them to fuck off, which will likely never happen- because they're making shitloads of margin on a piece-of-shit GX Eagle drivetrain by including it on expensive bikes, when it's worth next to nothing.
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01-16-2018, 04:08 PM #19Gluten Free Dan
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On that vein of thought, they're in a great position to actually change something.
30mm spindles apparently are stronger but BBs suck blah blah blah (my cinch BB must be a unicorn, put up with 2 seasons of incredibly gross riding).
Why not use an existing spindle size that many manufacturers use, and then recreate a larger BB around that? Drive frame manufacturers to accommodate a BB that provides adequate ball size and sealing around the existing market. Don't go create new shit and make shit more complicated for everyone.
Writing that rant may be the most useless thing I do this year.
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01-16-2018, 04:09 PM #20Banned
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01-16-2018, 04:20 PM #21
My point is that bike companies are speccing GX on $5000+ bikes... ridiculous. I also think the markup of XT over SLX is crazy too.
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01-16-2018, 04:28 PM #22
I want hipster facial hair like those guys.
You are what you eat.
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01-16-2018, 04:32 PM #23
Like Toast said, it's really a non-issue. You'll buy the BB that matches the cranks & frame, just like now.
Honestly, the only ones this really affects are those of us bike shops who most likely have to buy another BB tool (see Chris King TF30, RaceFace Outboard30 , E13, Enduro TorqTite, and Wheels Mfg)
The rest of you quit your whining.
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01-16-2018, 04:33 PM #24
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01-16-2018, 05:07 PM #25
Meh, it's not boost. Save your rage for the inevitable introduction of 28.25 inch wheels. :-)
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