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04-20-2020, 09:51 AM #2651
I've got my Protests inserted for Shifts for binding swappage reasons, but that also made it easy to mess around with shims. I'm also a weenie who can't stand a ton of binding ramp.
I'm happy skiing them without a shim in alpine boots, and somewhat surprisingly, also in my WTR soled XTD 130s. I like them much better with a 1/4" shim if I'm going to be skiing them with fully rockered touring soles.Last edited by HAB; 04-20-2020 at 12:33 PM.
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04-20-2020, 12:28 PM #2652
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04-20-2020, 12:32 PM #2653
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04-20-2020, 01:07 PM #2654
I'm a bit puzzled by all of these ramp delta comments.
If we can't x-ray the boot to see where the ball of the foot rests, aren't we making an invalid assumption?
If (for example) the plane of the foot bed is referencend to the upper lip of the toe extension (as I suspect), then a binding that adjusts like the Shift or the Aaatacks would keep the ramp delta constant access boot types.
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04-20-2020, 01:14 PM #2655
Fair point that it's hard to know exactly what's going on in the boot re: height of the ball of the foot relative to the boot sole, and the boot board ramp angle. And I'm with you that that's what matters.
I'm just describing my subjective experience with them in a bunch of different boots (Mach 1 130 LVs, Hawx XTD 130s, and Freedom RSs). Which may or may not extrapolate well to anybody else, but they are how I've felt in them (now that I've had enough coffee to write it properly).
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04-20-2020, 02:37 PM #2656
Yup, in the absence of hard data, that's what I'm arguing for as well - subjective experience, hopefully not influenced by preconceptions.
I was hoping to balance any tendencies toward confirmation bias (futile as that might be): my AFD is lower, therefore, I must have a lower ramp angle, ergo, I can feel it.
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04-21-2020, 12:43 AM #2657
But they're not. Standing on the floor, I put one foot in in the RX the other in the Cosmos, ramp sensation is pretty similar left to right (delta now zero on both boots). In this position the Cosmos toe lug is about a cm higher than the RX's, whereas the heel lug is but a couple of mm higher on the Cosmos. What do you think happens when you put both boots in the same type of binding with a fixed toe piece height? Correct, the Cosmos will end up in a toe down position. Hence the ramp delta comments.
Thanks for your input. Inserts for Shifts make a lot of sense in this regards, good idea! Then, installing/removing shims only requires two different lengths sets of machine screws, so it would still allow to run the Shifts with alpine boots for resort only days, or for whatever purpose.
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04-21-2020, 01:26 AM #2658Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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04-21-2020, 07:49 AM #2659
Forget about ramp delta, just think about ramp angle for the Shift.
In the Shift, the ramp angle doesn't change when you change the height of the AFD. The toe lug stays in the same position in the toe piece regardless of sole thickness. The AFD goes up and down, not the whole toe piece. If the whole toe piece moved then your ramp angle would change.
Your boots may have different ramps though, which others have mentioned, which is a whole different conversation.
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04-21-2020, 08:00 AM #2660Registered User
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This is a great way to start.
Find some 1mm shims and measure your current binding delta. Duplicate the delta and then experiment with 1mm shims both at the toe and heel to vary the delta.
You're only measuring static balance, not dynamic on a downhill slope.
Still very helpful.
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04-21-2020, 08:13 AM #2661
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04-21-2020, 08:13 AM #2662
No, but it will vary depending on what type of boot you use in the Shift because of where on the boot the lugs are in relation to the boot board. As previously stated, with the Cosmos' iso 9523 soles in Wardens, deltas and resulting total ramp is what I'm after. In order to reach that ramp in the Shifts, the toes have to be shimmed. That is not the case with alpine soles in Shifts.
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04-28-2020, 05:16 PM #2663Registered User
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Anyone know where to order some replacement AFD screws, mine are just about stripped from trying to tighten it with random multitools etc.
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04-28-2020, 05:31 PM #2664Registered User
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I have a dumb question. I mounted my shifts, popped my boot in, but i'm not sure hot to change the forward pressure. When I screw the bolt in and out the little silver rectangle stays in the same spot, or at least appears to.
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04-28-2020, 06:27 PM #2665
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05-04-2020, 02:07 PM #2666Registered User
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Okay -- I don't want to read 107 pages....is there anything to be particularly careful about when mounting Shifts? Tips/tricks? Posts I should read.
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05-04-2020, 02:20 PM #2667Registered User
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Find LeeLau's article on Newschoolers about the Shift + Tecton
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05-04-2020, 02:28 PM #2668Registered User
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Read that -- covers lots of good adjustment issues (AFD/Forward pressure) but not much about anything in the mounting process itself.
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05-04-2020, 02:35 PM #2669Registered User
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Oh gotcha. I've mounted 5 pair w/out any issue or any real prep. They're super easy. The trick is really in AFD/FP)
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05-04-2020, 02:39 PM #2670Registered User
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05-04-2020, 03:57 PM #2671
I think it was @lucknau who fiddled with the location of the front screw on the toe, and he put out a template. That screw location seems to have been a point of discussion.
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05-04-2020, 04:11 PM #2672
I presume you mean the height adjustment screw in the side of the AFD? If so, then the screw is not available as a spare and you'll need to order a pair of complete replacement AFD's. Amer have them in stock and any Sallie/Atomic dealer can order them. The part number is L407510001.
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05-04-2020, 05:18 PM #2673
Template at post #1251 in the paper templates thread
Button placement in this revision matches the jig. I’ve mounted two different ways (button seated all the way into the toe slot, vs. back a little, per the jig) and had no discernible issues after two seasons.
Just an aside, I remounted a pair this year after a season’s use and noticed that the button does experience wear. I think it’ll last a few years or more, but it’s something to be aware of.
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05-04-2020, 05:27 PM #2674Registered User
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Thanks! This is why you ask before you drill.
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05-04-2020, 06:52 PM #2675
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