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12-11-2019, 04:18 PM #2251Registered User
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12-11-2019, 05:53 PM #2252Johnny Poppinoffastuff
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Meters, just to second what lucknau is saying, I've prereleased once in 20+ days and there was a VERY thin layer of snow under my heel when it happened. I definitely haven't pushed them super hard, but I'm a big dude. My impression is that the heel is just really sensitive to the height of the back of the boot, so if you've got snow in there or a tall boot heel then you come out.
Or maybe it's fucked and should get warrantied. Hope not.
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12-11-2019, 08:32 PM #2253Registered User
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I couldn't solve my prerelease issues with Shifts, even with the aid of Lee Lau's very good troubleshooting guide and after much tinkering. Forward pressure was fine, AFD was fine; I even got them tested at the shop using their fancy release value calibration machine (also fine). Guess it must have been user error not clearing all the ice/snow before clicking in. Realistically I'm not fastidious enough to clear every last snow crystal from the binding before stepping into them, so I sold them.
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12-11-2019, 11:02 PM #2254Registered User
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Has anyone skied Shifts in last gen Atomic Hawx boots? They have a super thick sole under the toe. With the AFD adjusted as low as it will go, there is still borderline too much pressure on the toe - my tester strip baaaarely slides. I'm taking them out for a rip on Friday...I'm not too worried about it, but will be cautious at first.
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12-12-2019, 12:48 AM #2255
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12-12-2019, 10:04 AM #2256
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12-12-2019, 10:47 AM #2257
The first generation Atomic Hawx XTD had WTR soles, which I assume met ISO 9523 Alpine Touring (not Alpine) specs, but the rubber under the toe had to be ground to work in some bindings that were supposed to be compatible (i.e. Marker Griffon ID) - there is a thread that mentions it somewhere here. This sort of anomaly isn't that uncommon, as manufacturers often use one sole mold to fit 2 or 3 BSL's and the rubber interfaces with the AFD differently for each. (Back in the day many tech touring boot soles had to be ground so as not to interfere with Dynafit toe wings, for example).
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12-12-2019, 11:25 AM #2258
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12-12-2019, 11:32 AM #2259
I can't recommend this to paying customers, but personally I adjust so there's zero space between AFD and sole (no tester strip as long as there is a moving AFD in good condtion) and call it good. That's what the bearings are for, with .5mm clearance you feel a little vertical movement on cold days. YMMV.
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12-12-2019, 12:01 PM #2260
My XTD 130s needed a little bit of rubber trimmed off the sole, just behind the black plate that interfaces with the AFD to play nice with Shifts. Took 2 seconds with a razor blade.
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12-12-2019, 12:08 PM #2261Registered User
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Thanks for the feedback gents. They are the Hawx XTDs, and ya, they're supposed to be WTR compatible but as gregL mentioned they don't fit in all bindings. The IDs are one example and some older WTR bindings don't work either.
Sounds like I'll be fine though - the AFD is juuust touching the sole at the toe. I'll report back if I die after my test drive tomorrow.
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12-12-2019, 12:09 PM #2262Registered User
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12-12-2019, 12:19 PM #2263aerospace eng with a gravity fetish
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12-12-2019, 12:49 PM #2265Registered User
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12-12-2019, 03:39 PM #2266Minion
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Does anyone else find they have to max out their AFD height to accomodate alpine soles? I'm skiing Lange RXs in the resort with the shifts. The ski shop that set up the binding initially had the AFD one click below it's max height but after skiing a few laps I noticed a little vertical play between my boot's toe welt and to binding toe piece.
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12-12-2019, 04:16 PM #2267
That seems to be the case with the shifts and the only way to make them work with alpine, which is fine. Most people on shifts are using them with boots that only have Gripwalk, WTR, or Touring soles. If you have the option to move your sole blocks to any of those soles, I'd recommend you do that as they walk and hike much better.
Curious why you're skiing the Shifts with RXs? Do you have another set of boots for when you're touring and adjust the bindings every time you move between them?aerospace eng with a gravity fetish
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12-12-2019, 11:11 PM #2268Registered User
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12-13-2019, 07:34 AM #2269Registered User
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Can't answer for the question-asker, but I will note that it makes sense that the AFD would need to max out for a alpine-DIN sole, as that's the skinniest spec it needs to meet.
I believe mine are maxed out, or maybe one click down, for my Freetours with the alpine soles installed. And yes, the other soles hike better, but they don't meet the spec for race bindings, and—more importantly—they don't boot-ski for crap.
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12-13-2019, 12:23 PM #2270
Yes the AFD definitely goes all the way to the top for alpine soles. I can maybe see the case for freetours... but RXs? You can't even use the shifts other mode with RXs.
I concede your point on boot skiing. I always seem to forget about skiing's most hardcore sub discipline.aerospace eng with a gravity fetish
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12-13-2019, 08:52 PM #2271
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12-14-2019, 04:14 PM #2272
For my full tilts alpine boots I do all the way up minus one « click »
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12-14-2019, 06:32 PM #2273Registered User
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My shifts are being a pain in the ass. Set my forward pressure like recommended on here and from what I can tell, in the Solomon manual, raised the AFD to where it was barely touching when lifting up the boot, pressed down on the boot while slowly lowering the AFD till it “clicked” down, then raised it back up to just barely touching or a hair of space between the boot and AFD If I’m really lifting the boot toe up as hard as I can.
Worked ok for about a days worth of skiing. Then today had 2 pre releases on pretty mellow terrain, luckily I ski pretty centered cause any forward pressure on the skis and I’d feel a “click in the heel piece like it was about to release.
Also if I really flex into the tips standing still, like I’m about to do a top stand(which I’ve tried, released onto my face) the toe of the boot seems to drop down and shift forward, which would explain that clicking feeling in the heel when I’m close to prereleasing while skiing.
heres a pic of my boot in the binding, Lupo AXHD with the alpine soles. As you can see the AFD has to sit pretty damn high, maybe that’s part of the issue? Though my previous boots, scarpa feeedom RS had the same issues and the AFD was at pretty standard height for those.
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12-15-2019, 08:40 AM #2274Rod9301
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I'm saying it again.
Cody started the 50 project skiing the shift and after a few options he's exclusively on mtn.
Probably decide that he would like to live longer.
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12-15-2019, 09:11 AM #2275
Cute theory —
The Shift is not designed for 5k and 6-7 mile objectives (sure it will do it). When you have access to whatever gear you want on those longer missions why not lighten up the ski and enjoy the day a bit more.
So far I’ve seen him ski the shift on 1 episode (#2 - Mt Superior) which is a road lap. He likely took a weight penalty to ski a solid alpine binding down.
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