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01-10-2019, 03:26 PM #1426Registered User
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Yeah, changeover time is probably pretty comparable. With both setups you're removing your skis, fiddling with something and locking back in. Pretty much a wash. You save about 130g with the Shift versus the Cast in walk mode, which also seems like a wash given you're already over 2x the weight of a decent set of tech bindings. In ski mode, though, the Cast system is 650g heavier. Granted weight isn't an issue on the downhill to a lot of people, but that's almost and extra 1.5lbs. It's not nothing. At MSRP the Shifts are $225 less expensive than the Cast system + Pivot 18s. Also the Casts aren't technically GripWalk certified, though I feel like I've seen people here say they test fine. Finally, there are definitely fewer potential points of failure on the Cast system, and it will almost undoubtedly be more durable than the Shifts over multiple seasons.
If you don't mind the weight penalties and already have a pair of Pivot 18s (or find some cheap), go with Cast. If it's a completely new setup, and you're not afraid of all the plastic, go with the Shifts.
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01-10-2019, 03:49 PM #1427
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01-10-2019, 04:12 PM #1428Registered User
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Yes and no. I think they're claiming this is the first time they've used carbon-reinforced nylon on a binding, but they definitely aren't claiming that they invented that material. As I recall from the Blister Podcast Episode with Cody Townsend it was chosen mainly because it doesn't ice up like standard nylon. It is stiffer than traditional nylon but, depending on how much and what type of carbon is being added, also potentially more brittle.
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01-10-2019, 04:33 PM #1429
Fair breakdown. I like both systems, just maybe a little different for intended usage. If anything , I’d welcome that weight on the down. Then factor in 3 stage heel rise(flat, 1 and 2) and brake retention that kind of has th shift hovering in between Tecton and CAST. It’s not like most of us dont have enough skis to suit all three . Maybe the 90-100 thrasher, all mountain, jib with cast, 100-108 with Tecton or shift(usage dependent) , 108-115 daily hill driver w cast , 113-128 shift deep day hill/touring
My vulcans in the 100-108’s and the 113-128 shift setup but two toe hole placements with inserts for my lupo’s, to keep boot centres close. Lupo’s for everything else
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01-10-2019, 07:21 PM #1430
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01-11-2019, 09:16 AM #1431
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01-11-2019, 09:37 AM #1432with stoopid
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The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA
Mounting a new pair of shifts now and have one question and one perhaps helpful suggestion if you’re a little slow like me.
Question: I did a test mount with the paper template and it looks like the heel is pretty far forward on the adjustment range of the rear track. It’s at the first of the measuring lines.
In the future, I may possibly have a boot with a smaller BSL. Is it OK to adjust the binding all the way up to the “stop” line if needed, or should it stay within these tick marks?
Observation: I puzzled over this for a while so I thought I’d mention it in case anyone else was in the same boat.
My boots, Dalbello Sherpas, have a Boot center mark that was not lining up with the test mount center punch of the template.
I realized after way too much thinking, and some measuring, that the Actual boot center WAS aligned with the template. The center mark on the boots is the center between tech inserts and heel. I’ve only mounted these boots for tech bindings before so I’d never thought about it.
Edit: Wow, I really am thick headed these days. “A” is for alpine center, the line is for tech. Duh.
Anyway, excited for these new bindings. Hope they hold up!Last edited by ripvanwinter; 01-11-2019 at 10:25 AM.
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01-11-2019, 12:55 PM #1433
@spyderjon
does 'Yes' mean
Yes to OK adjusting up to the stop (Option 1), or
Yes to staying within the tick marks (Option 2)
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01-11-2019, 01:21 PM #1434
The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA
I couldn't tell if you figured this out. Maybe you did, but in your photo, the back of the forward release adjustment is exactly dead center in the adjustment range. The screws obscure where there would be hash marks, but you have 15mm of forward adjustment from that point.
Edit: yes, you can adjust right up to the STOP line.
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01-11-2019, 01:29 PM #1435Registered User
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01-11-2019, 01:41 PM #1436
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01-11-2019, 02:50 PM #1437
Anyone else have problems that the ski brakes don’t hold together when carrying the skis?
I have the Shift mounted on my 102mm ski. Bought 110mm brakes. Are they too wide? Would bending help?
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01-11-2019, 03:19 PM #1438
Yes
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01-11-2019, 04:06 PM #1439
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01-11-2019, 04:28 PM #1440with stoopid
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The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA
Wait, so A stands for adult? Now I’m totally confused.
The point of the A measures as the center of the Boot sole from heel to toe. This aligns with the boot center alignment hole from the jig
The line measures as center between the toe inserts and heel. This mark is about 1cm back from the jig alignment mark.
Am I making shit up here to allow this to make sense, should I just move the jig 1cm forward when I do the mount?
I’m mounting on Line Pescados btw.
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01-11-2019, 04:35 PM #1441
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01-11-2019, 04:47 PM #1442with stoopid
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01-11-2019, 06:12 PM #1443Registered User
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01-11-2019, 06:21 PM #1444Low Post JONG
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Type A - Adult (ISO 5355), Type C - Children (ISO 5355), Type T - Touring (ISO 9523) and furthermore GripWalk and Walk To Ride ski boots within ISO 9523.Last edited by andrewpringle; 01-11-2019 at 07:14 PM.
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01-11-2019, 06:38 PM #1445
Is this correct? I can't imagine a boot have two different boot center marks. That would get really confusing.
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01-11-2019, 07:17 PM #1446Low Post JONG
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01-11-2019, 09:52 PM #1447with stoopid
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Yes, I am puzzled by this too. The boot is actually a 2013 Sherpa and should be marked “T”
Regardless, wouldn’t it make sense for boot center to be in a different spot for tech or alpine bindings on the same boot?
The boot toe contacts the binding further forward in an alpine binding, yes?
I’m thinking I’m going to center the actual measured center of the boot sole on the ski.
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01-12-2019, 12:45 AM #1448Registered User
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01-12-2019, 09:59 AM #1449
To debunk this whole theory, here is a pair of my Lupo SP without tech inserts, that has the A, and it's in a different position.
The shift template must be off, because when I mounted mine, it seemed like I was back 5mm.
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01-12-2019, 10:39 AM #1450Registered User
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The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA
Last edited by kathleenturneroverdrive; 01-12-2019 at 11:03 AM.
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