The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA

[burrito]

For the lock out, pull harder. I had a insta conversation with someone who said the same thing, then they pulled harder and got it to lock out. I felt the same the first time I toured in them and it's either mental or something with the spring in the lockout but it's seemed to get easier since I first pulled. I feel like it's mental more than anything. As far as the wear...yeah, have no idea.

Before you get to the final lockout the plastic lever flexes a little bit and kind of feels like it might break. I haven't seen anyone actually break theirs, though, so once you get over the mental hurdle you should be good.

[Sessiøn]

Alka,
There is some brewing discussion over at Newschoolers.

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/t...elease-Warning

I have tried to guide them this way. However there may be some value in engaging over there.

[Judo Chop!]

I read something about a DIN11 version coming soon. Anyone have more info? The current ones are sold out a lot of places. I'd be stoked to get some of the 11's ASAP for my wife who is a lightweight and needs less than minimum 6 DIN.
Cheaper wouldn't hurt either!

[kathleenturneroverdrive]

If they’re releasing an 11 DIN I’d assume it would get revealed at SIA and sold to the public next year. I could be wrong but it’s pretty atypical for a whole new product to get sent out mid season


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[Judo Chop!]

If they’re releasing an 11 DIN I’d assume it would get revealed at SIA and sold to the public next year. I could be wrong but it’s pretty atypical for a whole new product to get sent out mid season


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yeah, but figured with with the sold out thing they'd be keen to get it out there.

[lucknau]

Alka,
There is some brewing discussion over at Newschoolers.

https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/t...elease-Warning

I have tried to guide them this way. However there may be some value in engaging over there.

Did you read the dentist post? Apparently there's a dentist over here who mentions he's a dentist like twice in every post and always dentists his dentist off of a dentist's dentist.

[trueblue]

Hello guys,

I just bought the the shift a few weeks ago and looking for a good ski boots that will go with it. I was wondering about the Scarpa Maestral RS 2, the new model from 2019. I know that the Maestral is ISO 9523 and therefore should be good to go with the Shift. However, I am seeing some confusion if it is actually compatible due to the Dynafit quick step that may cause problem.

So I am very confused, Any idea?

Thanks
Krys

Just spent 4 days on the shift - maestrale combo and they worked great together for me. They released just fine for me.

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[Eluder]

Just spent 4 days on the shift - maestrale combo and they worked great together for me. They released just fine for me.

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I've tested a pair, they release within test range.

[tomjensen]

I'm having issues with pre-release. Most shops in Canada don't have a machine for testing release values so I'm thinking getting them warrantied might be a mess around. I'd be interested to know if anyone is having similar issues. Also I want to warn other skiers interested in this binding that some, like mine have a pretty dangerous defect. I created a thread on Newschoolers with details. https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/t...ng?#p-13980795

[TahoeJ]

Are the toes / heels of your boots worn down at all? Also wondering how tight the AFD was set.

[nyskirat]

1 case doesn't equal a systemic issue. Frankly it doesn't seem anyone else but you is having that issue FWIW.

The fact that some shops in Canada don't have machines to test release values is kind of nuts. Get that shit sorted out first. Test them in a proper setting.

[tomjensen]

Are the toes / heels of your boots worn down at all? Also wondering how tight the AFD was set.

Boots are in close to new condition(8-10 days of use). I started with the AFD at the maunal recommendation of .5mm and have tried a narrower gap as well. Salomon now recommends a .12mm gap but were talking C hairs. Hopefully no one besides myself and the few others I've read similar comments from has this issue and Salomon's customer support has been great so far. Seems like the AFD slacking off is a somewhat common issue. So far for me these bindings have been a disappointment and kind of scary experience. I'm wondering if anyone can speak to the QC done on these bindings release mechanisms by Salomon

[1000-oaks]

So I've been adjusting the forward pressure and correctly and then cranking the AFD up until it's firmly tight into the boot sole. Then I lower until the AFD comes just below the boot sole to a credit card gap width and then re-raising the AFD until it's just touching and then go about a 1/4 to 1/2 turn past just touching.

Not saying this wouldn't work, but typically mechanisms with inherent backlash don't benefit from minor adjustments or fine-tuning at the end of adjustment. Logically, the best way to minimize backlash is to make a substantial adjustment in one direction only (so all the lash is taken up during travel) and then stop - period.

For anyone having issues, try lowering the AFD all (or most) of the way first. Position the ski vertically with your hand in the boot pulling down on the cuff (so the boot toe is lifted against the binding wings), view the gap between the AFD and the boot (if helps if you have a bright white wall or something on the other side), and adjust until the AFD just touches the sole. (Or go 1/4 to 1/2 turn past touching if you want to ski like Alka.) If you goof and have to reverse your adjustment, lower the AFD a bunch and then come at it again. Not saying this will work (I haven't tried it), but it would be my first approach.

[LeeLau]

1 case doesn't equal a systemic issue. Frankly it doesn't seem anyone else but you is having that issue FWIW.

The fact that some shops in Canada don't have machines to test release values is kind of nuts. Get that shit sorted out first. Test them in a proper setting.

Some others have reported pre-release when they don't clear the toes of snow when stepping in (edit -- but doesn't sound like that's the case for Tom). SHIFT is super sensitive to forward pressure. Yah it's pretty ghetto that some shops don't have a DIN testing machine. Tom - i posted to your NS thread

[aanev]

Today I had terrible experience with my Shifts. One of them prereleased and I’m OK-ish with that. However, the brakes could not stop the ski and I found it 300+ meters below - entangled in a safety net. I verified that the brakes had deployed properly. All this happened in a resort and it’s pure luck that the ski didn’t injure someone. Does anyone have similar experience?



P.S. Something similar happened a month ago but the ski stopped 50 meters below me and I didn’t take notice. The snow was fresh light powder and I attributed it to the steep slope.

[skifishbum]

once upon a time i was trying to follow moles and the straightliner up baldy and i didnt safety check my dynafiddles blew up on the traverse snapped a tip
one ski sent fields of glory or some run in a spectacular fashion 15 minutes later the snapped ski and i made it down in a less than spectacular manner and concushed and beat
a troller at the bottom says somethin about ski retention devices and hands me the ski
and i tell him yeah call dynafit and tell em their brakes suck for me as do most tech binders
newschoolers used to be at least funny now its just sad easily butthurt skittletards millinials and not even enuff of them to keep the lights on much longer
so i wouldnt worry to much about that swirling toilet

[Supermoon]

butthurt skittletards millinials

nah, they're all Gen Z now. Millennials are all finishing up dentisting school.

[nyskirat]

Today I had terrible experience with my Shifts. One of them prereleased and I’m OK-ish with that. However, the brakes could not stop the ski and I found it 300+ meters below - entangled in a safety net. I verified that the brakes had deployed properly. All this happened in a resort and it’s pure luck that the ski didn’t injure someone. Does anyone have similar experience?



P.S. Something similar happened a month ago but the ski stopped 50 meters below me and I didn’t take notice. The snow was fresh light powder and I attributed it to the steep slope.

For me it depends on the snow, the hill, and how fast I was going.

I've seen race skis fly down an entire hill after a crash and the brakes deployed properly.

[aanev]

For me it depends on the snow, the hill, and how fast I was going.

I've seen race skis fly down an entire hill after a crash and the brakes deployed properly.

I get that.

However, the ski had almost stopped after the crash and then I watched it gradually pick speed leaving two tiny trails in the snow from the brakes.

It happened on a not very steep black diamond ski run. The snow was chopped.

[TahoeJ]

Some others have reported pre-release when they don't clear the toes of snow when stepping in

I can confirm this. But it was my fault, obviously. Nothing like touring 6 miles only to eat shit on your second glorious pow turn! lol...

[burrito]

Boots are in close to new condition(8-10 days of use). I started with the AFD at the maunal recommendation of .5mm and have tried a narrower gap as well. Salomon now recommends a .12mm gap but were talking C hairs. Hopefully no one besides myself and the few others I've read similar comments from has this issue and Salomon's customer support has been great so far. Seems like the AFD slacking off is a somewhat common issue. So far for me these bindings have been a disappointment and kind of scary experience. I'm wondering if anyone can speak to the QC done on these bindings release mechanisms by Salomon

FWIW I’ve been having the AFD drop problem, but it hasn’t affected the release characteristics as of yet. It seems like you just got a bum unit. Hopefully Solly gets you squared away with one that releases properly.

[Norseman]

I get that.

However, the ski had almost stopped after the crash and then I watched it gradually pick speed leaving two tiny trails in the snow from the brakes.

It happened on a not very steep black diamond ski run. The snow was chopped.

This happens with any ski brake, jong-ass. Did you just start skiing?

Suggest glueing some velociraptor claws to each brake arm... the ski should stop next time you beater. Report back.

[hafjell]

Suggest glueing some velociraptor claws to each brake arm...

Ha! The clock starts now for some company to bring the velociraptor brakes to market. Can I pre-order a pair in 95s through Kickstarter?

[nyskirat]

I get that.

However, the ski had almost stopped after the crash and then I watched it gradually pick speed leaving two tiny trails in the snow from the brakes.

It happened on a not very steep black diamond ski run. The snow was chopped.

Sounds like the snow buildup caused the brakes to get pushed back then so they didn't work properly.

TBH, I've rarely seen brakes stop a ski. 9/10 they cause it to change the skis directory to the side of the trail. The 1/10 they do work it's on a flat hill. I can't tell you how many times I've seen skis fly into the woods.

Simply put, I rarely ever see brakes work as advertised.

[anotherVTskibum]

Sounds like the snow buildup caused the brakes to get pushed back then so they didn't work properly.

TBH, I've rarely seen brakes stop a ski. 9/10 they cause it to change the skis directory to the side of the trail. The 1/10 they do work it's on a flat hill. I can't tell you how many times I've seen skis fly into the woods.

Simply put, I rarely ever see brakes work as advertised.

They don't have to stop the ski to be effective, they just need to keep it from turning into an unguided missile. Having watched a monoboard sail by my head and bounce 8-12 ft uphill off a lift tower, and almost never seen a ski take off like that, I'd say that overall ski brake are reasonably effective.

Re: the Shifts, the only time so far that I've had one escape, I did not have a brake issue.