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12-11-2017, 12:00 AM #201
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12-11-2017, 12:05 AM #202
Mtn Lab (as Cody does) or Vulcan could pair full time with this clamp no prob
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12-11-2017, 12:30 AM #203
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12-11-2017, 12:40 AM #204
Oh and I don't think I ever answered the icing issue.
Well since this was one of the biggest concerns of ours, it's something we worked on hard and even switched up the binding to hopefully not ice up often. Obviously 100% of icing avoidance is unpossible, but out of the Guardians, MTN, and Shifts, the Shifts performed the best...by a lot. Which honestly continues to baffle me because of the multiple moving parts just seem to ask for ice build up. But there are two main factors that have helped from what I've seen 1. A rubber gasket under your toe when in touring mode that moves the slightest bit helps eliminate build up under your toe piece. 2. Not many metal on metal contact points. I always tended to find that the Guardians would build up snow and ice on the metal. Since the Shift is mainly Carbon Fiber Polymer, there isn't many conductive metal contact points. It's seemed to have helped.
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12-11-2017, 05:59 AM #205
^^ Makes sense. I definitely noticed the same with the Guardian / icing.
Well, to be fair, those guys are doing a different type of skiing and aren't going to be hucking off of things (typically) in a no fall zone or flashing a line. So when you're doing a bunch of jump turns in super steep exposed terrain, that light gear seems more essential.
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12-11-2017, 06:29 AM #206Registered User
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Not everyone can afford a quiver of boots and skis and maybe said person ski's the resort twice a year with an out of town buddy while touring all the rest- I doubt it's their equipment that led to the injury, need to have a brain cell or two to know slow down on your tech setup inbounds.
Can't we all just get along? Seriously the amount grilling that happens in lift lines these days is worse than when I used to race as a kid and the rich kids had all the sweet gear... Honestly this is why I stick to the BC most days, people just suck.
Sweet binding, I would certainly recommend to a friend who is getting into touring and when my dentist gig picks up I will invest myself. Thanks for all the great information over the past 9 pages!
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12-11-2017, 07:18 AM #207
That kinda makes sense. I know several years back the Japanese came out with an aerospace CF/epoxy that was a hudge leap forward in performance and weight. A well know bike co was able to get use of it for bike frames, later it got used in a few skis. Kind of wondered if it would get used in boots or bindings eventually.
I also get what you are saying about lower angle skinning. Sometimes though you have to hit a steep section and it would nice to have the option of a taller lift. My Dfit Mercury boots get the call for alot of my BC ski mostly due to the excellent ROM. We even laid out and built a lower angle skin track at my buddies mtn to have another option other than the main logging road which in places has 40% climbs.watch out for snakes
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12-11-2017, 07:48 AM #208Rod9301
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Yeah, but all, except the top half percent, are really struggling on the down. They sure make it look ugly.
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12-11-2017, 08:05 AM #209
The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA
While I agree with its effeciency, sometimes other factors come into play, so I’m a bit bummed by the 10 degrees.
1) Is it really more effecient to break trail through 2’ of fresh than to take an established steeper track? Probably not.
2) Terrain. Usually thick trees, as has been mentioned earlier.
3) Sometimes speed is more important than effeciency. Sure when you get paid to ski all day (Hoji, Greg, etc), effeciency trumps all. But when you try to knock out a lap or two before work, speed is more important. (This is why the Wasatch has insane tracks, imo)
4) Anatomy. Short achilles = higher risers are more comfortable for me than they are on the same track for my partners.
5) Breaking trail means the effective skintrack angle is much steeper. Your tips float and tails sink. Much easier to break trail on higher risers imo.
There’s a reason why CAST’s second edition had high risers (they made your same argument for 1st gen). They didn’t want to needlessly eliminate a good chunk of potential buyers. I hope Shift 2nd gen does the same.
I get it, if there were technical reasons, but there comes a point where it’s better to be practical than ideal just for the sake of being ideal.Last edited by Lindahl; 12-11-2017 at 08:37 AM.
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12-11-2017, 08:20 AM #210
I agree with Lindhal
Originally Posted by blurred
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12-11-2017, 08:23 AM #211
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12-11-2017, 08:32 AM #212
IME the ROM in your touring boots also can affect your riser needs, like the stiffer more "freeride" touring boots generally have less ROM and thus make you even more reliant on the high riser, whereas with a high ROM boot you can often compensate simply in your stride. Doesn't help the SHIFT though cuz I don't think there will be a lot of people using these with lightweight boots... the lack of a high riser in this sort of binding is a curious omission to me.
fwiw I generally find skintrack steepness not too bad (and I am a low-riser-only guy) in the Wasatch with the exception of very specific places like the skinner up Grannys, etc
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12-11-2017, 09:13 AM #213
^^^^^ as well as the rom of your ankles/lower leg, as lindhal mentions. I have very very little, so will be up on taller risers than normal people.
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12-11-2017, 09:27 AM #214
I agree the lack of tall riser is a total miss on an otherwise exciting product. Our resort has dedicated up routes which a high riser is a must in 2 sections.
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12-11-2017, 09:28 AM #215Banned
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12-11-2017, 09:45 AM #216
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12-11-2017, 09:58 AM #217Banned
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12-11-2017, 11:24 AM #218Registered User
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arent they gona have beta versions out there this season that real users will give feedback on which would leave lots of time to make changes?
i think you can go steeper/slower or shallower/faster I don't think one is faster than the other, and sometimes you gotta follow a shitty track so maybe a higher riser is in orderLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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12-11-2017, 11:32 AM #219
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12-11-2017, 11:39 AM #220Registered User
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I have multiples of the same ski setup alpine & BC
I thot everyone did?
we don't have lift lines
It was decided here last month that riding the lifts to ski a lot of laps at the hill didnt actualy make you a better skierLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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12-11-2017, 11:45 AM #221
Hah! I love the lift-line shit talking! And the chairlift hollering.
probably why I'm realistically mostly an inbounds/slackcountry guy (though I did get me a snowpony this season).
Hells.. I would buy any equipment that make me snarkier! Cody - will this binding feed me more one-liners?
This binding is pretty much targeted at me. And I think I'm the typically skiier type around W/B (but... like.. the best on the mountain). I assume many other places too.
I want them, and I want them to not break.Last edited by Judo Chop!; 12-11-2017 at 12:56 PM.
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12-11-2017, 11:56 AM #222Registered User
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^ I am probably the same.
I do have a dedicated touring set up. It won't likely change.
I can see replacing the dukes on my pow/slack country setup. They see limited up, but just nice to have when the next opening leads to just one more turn and before you know it - you have passed the ski out.
I don't really mind the weight of the dukes - they are mounted on Volkl confessions anyway - it is the way they pivot plus where the weight sits I have issues with. But I do like to ride all day in my alpine boots if the hill is getting some dumpage.
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12-11-2017, 12:17 PM #223Registered User
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12-11-2017, 12:49 PM #224
On a follow-up note, just listened to the Blister podcast and Rubens basically said the exact same thing I did (that having the weight on your boot matters a lot more than a little extra on your ski)... but having said that, if you've been touring on equipment for years that's notably lighter, I can see why adding a few hundred more grams might be a deal breaker for you. Fortunately not the case for me, as I will happily exchange a safe toe release and traditional elastic feel for a little more weight. The Guardian was so heavy and inefficient that it wasn't worth it (other than very short tours), as skiing with tired legs is arguably just as dangerous.
I've taken some small (8-10 foot) drops on my kingpins and every time I've done it I'm thinking about my tech toe and have passed up some other drops for that same reason. I've come to trust them not to release, but the landings are noticeably more jarring so that's another benefit.
As for the heel riser height... hmm... time will tell. If it proves to be a big problem for a lot of people, I'm sure at some point Salomon will add a modification or alternate riser option. Seems like it could be a relatively easy after-market adjustment.
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12-11-2017, 02:01 PM #225
Oh yeah... I’m also keen to see a mount pattern. Possible Cody?
Kingpins have been rattling my bones and I’d love to ditch them but keep the sticks.
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