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12-09-2017, 01:42 PM #151
Oh this has nothing to do with SHIFT, it has everything to do with any releasable alpine binding versus tech binding that locks out entirely. Because in a fall-you-die, super steep scenario, releasability in your bindings is not a requirement and in fact can only be a danger. So that's why many of the gnarliest of gnarly cham guys, like Andreas Fransson (RIP), Tony Lamiche and Alex Pittin lock their toes and mod their heels to completely lock out or get tech race heels that lock out. Personally, I don't ski that kind of stuff very often, so I my decision to be in locked out toes/heels on the ultra-gnar comes from following the lead of guys like Tony and Alex and their theories they've developed over the years. Personally, I feel comfortable skiing anywhere on the SHIFTS. I've gained a ton of confidence on them over the past year...plan on filming on them, skiing the resort on them, using them for most of my touring days and will even bring them to the Himalaya this Spring/Summer.
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12-09-2017, 01:43 PM #152
Just finished listening to the Gear30 podcast. What you guys seem to have accomplished is pretty awesome. Looking forward to replacing my brand new Kingpins next year.
I patrol at a BIG resort in MT, send a pair for my QST 106 and I’ll beat the shit out of them for 120 days straight and report back
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12-09-2017, 02:03 PM #153
Thanks Cody for coming on here and sharing. I feel like this demands a ski off though? Any takers? Cody gets the tech bindings, competing mag gets 18 DIN steel pivots
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12-09-2017, 02:25 PM #154
Cody is already doing a good job translating tech-geek to real-life so I'll just add this
As a reviewer I mention the ISO standards and certification in passing. When reviewing I tailor the review to the audience. ISO standards are documentation standards (which is what most engineers know). TUV testing is constrained to testing against the standards. It's simplistic but to most consumers DIN and ISO is what they want to hear. They don't know that there's an Alpine ISO and Alpine Touring ISO. They don't know the testing methods; they don't know that tech fittings and heel pins and heel pin gaps constrain testing methods.
What they want to know is - is it certified and if so, what certification? And they also want to have some real life examples of release. So when Lindahl says he exploded out of Vipecs on pillow drops to flat; or I came out of Vipec toes when catching my tips on the edge of trees on a luge run exit ; or submerging tips under snow-covered trees. When Cody, or Rubens or MikeD tell me they've skied the crap out of these bindings. Well that's good data.
The tough part to explain in real life is elasticity. To me; there's nothing as damp as the alpine boot in alpine binding feeling and that shows up in coral reef; sastrugi etc,. It doesn't show up in smooth sweet pow for obvious reasons. And that's where IMO my job ends and its' the consumers job to be honest with self and make a decision. The gear is a tradeoff and that consumer has to decide where to make the tradeoff
But of course TGR is full of gearwhores and micro-parsers who may very well buy Kingpin. Shift, Tecton, Evo, Radical, Rotation etc etc. But the majority of public doesn't read TGR or Wildsnow or Blister and will go with what works - for them. And I bet a lot of people will go for the Shift and not sweat the weight, the various distinctions between ISO certs and TUV testing etc.
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12-09-2017, 02:36 PM #155
Ditto. Very kewl!
As for a ski off, I'm down as long as his tech bindings are mounted to some snowlerblades. I'd still loose but whatever, it'd be a good time.
https://youtu.be/SSFowVywHao
Chinese downhill at 5:10
Alka's gracious victory speech at 6:45
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12-09-2017, 05:17 PM #156
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12-09-2017, 07:42 PM #157Registered User
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Thanks. I appreciate the response. it is interesting to hear how those guys approach skiing steep lines.
Any chance the mounting pattern will be changed to match the sth2? I already have a bunch of skis mounted with inserts with that pattern. Would love to be able to easily switch the bindings around.
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12-09-2017, 09:47 PM #158
Doubtful that a binding this far along would change a hole pattern. I heard it’s five screws in the front and four in the back so maybe if your inserts were for the old STH you could ski your skis backwards forwards. But it’s doubtful Sally just reversed that 997 hole pattern for the Shift. Or maybe there is an entirely deeper level of symbolism with the name shift?
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12-09-2017, 10:07 PM #159
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12-09-2017, 11:17 PM #160
The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA
Still a fair amount lower than a frame binding.
How many people have been skiing these so far? I’m sure issues are bound to come up post release when the mass market gets ahold of them.
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12-10-2017, 01:15 AM #161
Props to Cody for answering the dentist questions from people who can barely make it down a heli run without a guide holding their hand. #truth
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12-10-2017, 01:31 AM #162Unregistered User
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12-10-2017, 02:50 AM #163Registered User
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12-10-2017, 05:57 AM #164
Swedish porn: http://youtube.com/v/MZDFtE4Q9VY
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12-10-2017, 08:22 AM #165
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12-10-2017, 08:29 AM #166
and for the non-Swedish speaking crowd ...
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12-10-2017, 09:57 AM #167
Yeah, that stack height isn't bad at all. For comparison:
Guardians: 26mm (I've skied these quite a bit and they feel like STH2's basically)
Dukes: 36mm (this is high enough where I noticed the height and really did not like it)
Kingpins: 21mm (awesome)
So 25mm is perfectly fine. Having said that, Cody - you should tell the marketing folks to take a different photo with maybe a different boot. The current one makes the stack height look ridiculously high and it's kind of off-putting to those who may not be willing to dig into the details.
My only reservation about the Shift is all of the moving pieces that aren't metal... but time will tell on that. I will probably give them a shot next season - not having that rigid toe on the downhill (plus proper safety release) is a true game changer IMO. I love the kingpins but those two things are my only "wants" with them.
The weight is fine, also. IMO the reason frame bindings feel heavy as shit isn't just the weight, but that so much of the weight is attached to your boot during each stride (so you are lifting the weight not just sliding it on the snow), not to mention the less efficient motion without pins.
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12-10-2017, 11:34 AM #168
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12-10-2017, 11:42 AM #169Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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12-10-2017, 12:31 PM #170Registered User
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12-10-2017, 12:53 PM #171www.dpsskis.com
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12-10-2017, 03:31 PM #172
The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA
Pretty groundbreaking product for sure. Even though the Tecton has similar properties, the Shift is actually a true legit alpine binding. Thats a huge deal. I trust the Tecton in soft snow, but I’m not about to huck to hardpack on it. If the Shift durability holds up, I could easily see it replacing CAST for my inbounds 105ish ski. I’d still lean towards the Tecton or even Vipec for a powder ski, but its awesome to be able to finally have a no compromise binding for an inbounds charging ski.
Of course, I think the Shift is more than that though for many people. If someone comes into the shop and wants a binding they can use in the resort but also tour on, the retailer can pick up the Shift and say this binding skis and releases exactly like an alpine binding. Thats a HUGE deal. The retailer doesn’t have to really explain or do anything special with the customer at all. The answer is simple. Nice work Salomon.
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12-10-2017, 03:48 PM #173
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12-10-2017, 03:55 PM #174
Oh the irony.
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=313937
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12-10-2017, 03:59 PM #175
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