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06-19-2021, 02:06 PM #3101
Its all speculation as to why his bindings released. However, I do know that my Shifts have performed flawlessly for a few seasons now, and I definitely ski them hard in shitty snow (especially now in Europe) and take plenty of airs with them. Much harder turns in much shittier snow at much higher speeds than that have never been an issue for me. But maybe my pair is an outlier
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06-20-2021, 11:04 PM #3102
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06-21-2021, 06:59 AM #3103Registered User
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"Also, I'd argue that at least 1/3 of the people complaining about it probably haven't set it correctly."
I agree. I am not discounting that people have valid complaints/issues but I also think there a lot of people bashing the Shifts who have never actually owned a pair, they are just piling on the "shifts suck" bandwagon.
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06-21-2021, 03:22 PM #3104
They aren't perfect but for a 50/50 binding they have been awesome for me, ski feel is awesome and they tour acceptably and weight isn't crazy.
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06-21-2021, 04:51 PM #3105
Put me in the Shifts are a good binding camp. The AFD design is stupid. But after following Lee Lau's adjustment directions they've performed flawlessly. They ski and tour better than plate bindings.
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06-21-2021, 05:24 PM #3106Registered User
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Thats the weird thing. None of my pre-releases have happened doing anything where i felt i would be pushing it. Matter of fact, they have performed super well when i was pushing it. Cliffs up to 15ft into big fast slingshotted GS carves through soft chopped PNW snow, etc.
Every (bad) release has been when i least expected it. Like, i would have felt comfortable skiing like that on a 5 DIN binding (ski at 13). In fact, two of the releases happened in perfect balance so much that i just finished the turn and stopped. Another happened popping around in flat pow on the side of green run at like 10mph... straight out the front with both skis to lawndart.
that said, they tour great, i dont want to buy new bindings and i keep hoping they'll hold me in better, next time. I feel like a battered wife going back to her husband "because he didnt meant it, and he said he will change!".
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06-21-2021, 06:39 PM #3107Registered User
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https://www.newschoolers.com/news/amp/51618
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06-21-2021, 09:12 PM #3108
cool thanks heaps.
time to have a play (probably unnecessarily) tweaking everything possible!
i meant to include last time. i can't say much about this video, but i have releases like this all the time where i live in japan.
a 1 meter diameter depression hidden under the snow caused by warm water rising to the surface in that spot. your skis sink in and they stop dead when they hit the sharp edge on the other side, plus they get bogged in the in wet snow underneath. result is you suddenly superman'ing forward. often your sliding forward can drag the skis with you too cause they no longer have the weight on them.
i most certainly want to release here, otherwise i reckon it'd rip my calf off.
when this happens to me i most certainly thank my bindings for doing their job, wipe the snow off my face, blow the snow out of my nose, repair my damaged ego, and keep skiing :P
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06-22-2021, 01:50 AM #3109
No superman'ing here - just flexing the skis a bit more in the depression between the bumps (in neutral stance). However, I think I figured this one too - these Wren98's have a somewhat rounder flex then my Wren108's and when flexed more the heel tends to open easier. I dialed the forward pressure down a bit, upped the release value a little and since then they seem OK.
I played a bit hand flexing the skis and monitoring the forward pressure behavior and it seems maybe slower compared to other bindings.
Overall, quite happy with the Shifts - more than 40 days on them this winter with only two pre-releases. I can live with that .
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06-22-2021, 06:43 PM #3110
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07-16-2021, 01:00 AM #3111
first tour day for the shifts today, and they sucked
the shifts work exactly as I expected, a bunch of close knit moving parts that get jammed up at the first sign of snow and ice.
designed for two-day-a-year blue sky fair weather skiers no doubt ... ok a bit much, you can tell im pretty cranky right now. because just two hours in heavy snowfall of medium wet aussie snow was too much for them.
seems I was enough of a sucker to give them a go, and now I've got a ski setup I wish I didn't do.
transitioning from ski mode for the front binding required a bunch of beating the binding and poking at it with a ski pole. finally cleared it enough that it locked in, but was so difficult that it made me question weather it was actually in ski mode or not still (I suspect the pre-releases happen this way).
and for touring the rear breaks wont lock down in walk mode because the cavity the foot piece is supposed to fold into was absolutely jam packed full with snow. i had to get a screwdriver out to dig it all out, then still had to repeatedly stomp down on the binding so hard I dug a ski shaped hole in the ground.
I'll take them out again tomorrow for another test.
hopefully I'm doing something wrong or something stupid!
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07-16-2021, 07:11 AM #3112
The shift is a great binding. There are a couple of tips that you can do to greatly improve your experience.
Toe. When touring after you get your toe in. Which I find a simple inside outside move to get the toe lugs to fit in. Then pull up hard on the toe lever. Past the first click. That locks you in uphill mode. There are previous posts about the new din windows with the lugs that help keep the toe lever in place.. check out that in this thread. Not sure if you have OG din windows or the new ones. Just remember the second click is fully locked and the first click is not locked at all. You can boot out on a side hill when only using the 1st click.
Next on the down. Make sure to push the locking lever all the way down in order to ski down hill. Then you have a fully operational toe.
The ski brakes can be finiky if you do not set them up properly from the get go
When going up hill make sure then you put the brakes in the up lock position you hear a audible click. Yes clear the snow first. I have not had a brake release when I hear the brake clicking in the up position. Check out some of the cool vids on the web to get educated on what works for the brakes and the toe lever.
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07-16-2021, 08:32 AM #3113Rod9301
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07-16-2021, 08:38 AM #3114
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07-16-2021, 06:24 PM #3115
The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA
I have never had that problem or any other problem.
I only have one season with them and they worked fine. My daily driver for inbounds and my usual early morning hike before the lifts loaded at the local hill.
I don’t have any actual backcountry experience with them because I have a different set up for that.I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.
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07-16-2021, 06:28 PM #3116
The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA
they do get jammed up with snow and ice and mud and dirt - gotta sometimes clean em out
I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.
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07-16-2021, 09:15 PM #3117
The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA
I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.
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07-16-2021, 10:54 PM #3118
they did better today, 3 hours out in foot deep medium dry powder with constant wind blown broken crystal coming down.
much drier than yesterday.
i still have to beat them a bit to get the snow to fall out. but now i place them upside down when i stop to prevent any chance of more snow falling into the gaps n stuff.
only once did the heel brakes come out, even after really clicking and stomping them in.
still tho, my kingpins wouldn't have cared in the slightest at yesterdays or todays conditions.
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07-16-2021, 11:36 PM #3119Registered User
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07-17-2021, 12:43 AM #3120
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07-17-2021, 04:11 PM #3121
So like 7-8 of the 20 or so people I personally know with them have had this problem. Take that for what you all will and keep drinking that koolaid. Good luck!
I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.
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07-17-2021, 06:34 PM #3122
I sold my Shifts 2 seasons ago after the 3rd prelease. The thread makes me feel completely content with that decision.
Old's Cool.
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07-17-2021, 06:47 PM #3123
Never regretted selling mine. The pre-releases were so disconcerting
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07-18-2021, 09:53 AM #3124
Thankful I have a good pair I guess?
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07-18-2021, 05:24 PM #3125
Considering Salomon's mature manufacturing capabilities, it sounds as if the design is predicated on tight tolerances - tolerances that aren't easy to hold in production.
I won't repeat the comments about QA and QC, poor training materials for shop rats, or the attributes of a design that could be more idiot proof than it obviously is.
Key takeaway: If you have a pair(s) that's working for you, hang on to them. Don't mess with success.
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