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Thread: Hey IMBA: Go Home, You're Drunk.
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02-23-2018, 10:10 PM #276
I'm not entirely sure who all in the IMBA food chain is involved in this beyond our local guy. My impression is that there's likely some talking points getting handed down from the legal folks that are generally applicable to the discussion of rwa's, but not specific to the area at issue.
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02-23-2018, 11:02 PM #277
Yeah, at the clearwater nez-pierce meeting Melson was bringing up specific sections and pages of the usfs regs and his whole statement seemed a little... prepared. Not that I am complaining because he provided some of the better feedback out of the whole room and helped get the group of mtb guys organized ahead of time. I was pretty happy with how we presented ourselves- we were all together and had clear, concise points and did not repeat ourselves too much. It's really what local mountain bikers need to do - get organized and bring a big group to every public meeting. Sitting at home and bitching on a forum doesn't get us anywhere. If you want to bitch on the internet, submit public comments!
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02-24-2018, 10:03 AM #278
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02-24-2018, 10:21 AM #279
For those who have used Live Frees link and didn't get it (like me). It will download a PDF containing all the info, most likely to your Downloads folder.
I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
"Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"
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02-24-2018, 10:59 AM #280
So does Eric Melson still work for IMBA? I thought he got de-funded. There was talk of him being employed by a consortium of the Northern Rockies mtn bike groups.
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02-24-2018, 01:47 PM #281
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02-28-2018, 04:34 PM #282Registered User
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Bumping this as a reminder that comments on the Lionhead RWA are due by March 5. Some of the finest Alpine singletrack I've ridden, let's not lose it.
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03-01-2018, 02:16 PM #283
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03-05-2018, 07:38 PM #284
Bump for last day to comment on the Custer-Gallatin plan. Easy to do:
https://cara.ecosystem-management.or...?project=50185A woman came up to me and said "I'd like to poison your mind
with wrong ideas that appeal to you, though I am not unkind."
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03-06-2018, 10:01 AM #285
Got my comments in, thanks for the links!
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11-01-2018, 06:38 PM #286
So...this came in the email from IMBA today. Still drunk and apparently throwing in the towel on backcountry riding.
https://www.imba.com/our-focus
Highlights:
"Our focus: More trails close to home"
"A new direction: We see the future of mountain biking in going after opportunities for more close-to-home access. Our goal is to grow the quantity and quality of mountain bike trail communities across the U.S."
"Why close to home? Trails close to home mean more quick hits for mental health and fun. In large cities and small rural towns alike, trails enhance quality of life, provide economic benefits and create community. We know all of this because IMBA and our local partners have been making these things happen worldwide for 30 years, and we want to make sure trails happen in more places, more rapidly."
"52% of mountain bikers think there are not adequate miles of trails to ride in their local area
51% of mountain bikers think there is not adequate trail diversity in their local area
75% of mountain bikers do the majority of their riding on "local" trails"
Dear IMBA:
Really, you needed a survey to tell you that most riders do most of their riding on trails close to home? Yeah, I do the majority of riding on my local trails too. Guess why....they're close by and that's often all I have time for. I know, it really takes a genius to figure that out. But local trails just scratch an itch after work or weekends for many of us when we can't get away. The future of mountain biking??? Local trails aren't what we spend our days at work daydreaming about and planning trips to go to ride. Yeah we need more and better local trails but those destinations and epics are the rides we need you to help fight for, not put your head in the sand.
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11-01-2018, 06:58 PM #287
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11-01-2018, 10:26 PM #288
IMBA started in CA and out here chapters are jumping ship. First San Diego, now Santa Cruz. More to come, I suspect.
My local chapter I informed that I’m happy to help out with trail work, etc but will not officially join while they’re still IMBA sanctioned.I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.
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11-02-2018, 08:54 AM #289Registered User
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Are there other MTB advocacy/trail building organizations out there as powerful and building the rad trails like Evergreen? Its state-wide and pretty much runs the show with lobbying and building in the washington state, and they seem to be building the type of trails that pretty much gets everytype stoked. sometime i forget how lucky we are here, until i go back home to the Bay Area and look around... woof.
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11-02-2018, 09:05 AM #290
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11-02-2018, 09:34 AM #291
SWMMBA has been growing and raising money here in MT. They remain affiliated with IMBA, at least for now.
They are active in access issues and are just finishing up a 17+ mile network of really fun trails on BLM land.
I am heading out there in about 20 minutes.
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11-02-2018, 02:08 PM #292
Add to that the Hood River Area Trail Stewards (Hood Rats) is pretty active in the Hood River Area. Post Canyon is their baby. AFAIK they are the only IMBA chapter in the state. COTA is not and GOATS (Greater Oakridge Area Trail Stewards) has some kind of independent relationship with IMBA
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11-02-2018, 02:11 PM #293
Tahoe has both TAMBA and the Truckee Trails Foundation. I'll let you guess which one builds better trails if you're not a beginner...
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11-02-2018, 02:56 PM #294
Seems like local org's are pretty effective in a lot of places. Not sure what IMBA thinks they are going to do that they couldn't have done before, or whether they could really help an org that isn't effective. It really comes down to the local people who put in the time day to day over many years going to meetings and doing trail work. In San Diego we got about as much help from them after becoming a chapter as we did before, which wasn't much. Aside from fundraising and trail care crew visits/training there isn't much IMBA could help us with here because they don't have the relationships with our dozens of local land managers nor are they familiar with all the asinine rules and bureaucracy we deal with. Seems like IMBA is just trying to justify itself by piggybacking on the success of these local groups. As a national org their strength should be building relationships with national land managers like USFS and BLM to help move MTB forward nationally on issues that are beyond the scope that local groups can deal with. Instead, we see them walking away. It's really mind-boggling.
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11-02-2018, 03:19 PM #295
That's pretty much it.
Dealing with the day to day operations and working with land managers to build / maintain front country trails is, like you said, pretty do-able at the local level. Where our local group has struggled is when we bump into bigger issues where we just don't have the required experience set. Forest Plan revisions, Wilderness discussions, etc. There, we're up against the Wilderness Society and organizations that are much larger, better funded, and more experienced than any of our local volunteers. And, unsurprisingly, we get the shit kicked out of us fairly regularly on those sort of issues. I've reached out to IMBA on some of those issues and they've been not particularly helpful. And given that they've gotten the shit kicked out of them on those sort of issues as well, I'm not sure there's much they could have told me that was actually going to be useful.
But I also get that IMBA has a staff of a small handful of people, and it's tough to pay smart lawyer types when every local organization is pulling the plug on associating with IMBA. I'm not sure I see a path forward for that organization - they've fucked too many things up, and if they don't have either 1) much broader buy in from local orgs, or 2) a wealthy and generous benefactor, I don't see how they can survive. Neither of those options seems very likely. The question for me is whether an organization like Evergreen steps outside of Washington to fill the void.
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11-02-2018, 04:13 PM #296
Last edited by TahoeJ; 11-03-2018 at 07:03 AM. Reason: Had to remove some specifics
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11-02-2018, 07:18 PM #297yelgatgab
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The fuck you talking about? They’re just as useless over here.
Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.
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11-02-2018, 07:26 PM #298
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11-02-2018, 07:38 PM #299
Some of the CA clubs have been talking about forming a CA-specific advocacy group. I guess that would be sort of like Evergreen in WA. We have a lot of California specific issues so it kind of makes sense. What I'd hope would come out of that is the CA body might form with others like Evergreen and form something to rival IMBA, and eventually absorb whatever is left of IMBA into a national org but with better governance and accountability to membership. IMBA used to have a few people who were really good at dealing with forest plan revisions and the like. But their stance on Wilderness and unwillingness to take the gloves off and lawyer up has really prevented them from being successful.
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11-03-2018, 07:42 AM #300
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