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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Actually, that unofficial policy will never be embraced by the Republicans so why should Democrats be forced to retire. I feel more comfortable acknowledging that all politicians are pond scum and to expect anything less from them is unrealistic. No need for Democrats to take the High Road and shoot themselves in the foot if the Republicans are represented by the Pussy Grabber and Chief and Alabama sends that POS to the Senate.

    Like Renee Russo said on this topic; "all women should know men can be sexual predators and conduct themselves accordingly. Know how to defend yourself and don't put yourself in a position (like going to some perverts room to read a script) that can lead to problems". (all paraphrased)
    thats a problem too. Any woman that speaks up like KQ, Renee Russo, etc are slammed by the majority of their female peers...."how dare you not believe the woman?"...thats a big part of this whole issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    thats a problem too. Any woman that speaks up like KQ, Renee Russo, etc are slammed by the majority of their female peers...."how dare you not believe the woman?"...thats a big part of this whole issue.
    The point is not believing them. No one is calling them a liar but the perps. The point is stating they (women) also need to take just a little responsibility for likely being in the wrong place at the wrong time with a potential creep.

    If the women are doing their part to head this behavior off, then men that do it need a firm kick in the nutz during the moment and then the woman needs to report them immediately, not years later or GTFO. Just my 2 cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    thats a problem too. Any woman that speaks up like KQ, Renee Russo, etc are slammed by the majority of their female peers...."how dare you not believe the woman?"...thats a big part of this whole issue.
    And do you recall how arch feminist Gloria Steinem reacted to Clinton’s rape accusers? Party before people.

    Pendulums swing.

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    I'm not talking about the situation where one woman makes one accusation against someone and then the media frenzy takes over. What happened to Garrison Keillor doesn't seem to be right...but then again, only Keillor and the woman know the full story. I think what happened to Al Franken wasn't right, either. Franken lost a whole political career over an accusation. However, if 5 or 10 more women stand up and say yes, Al Franken continually sexually harrassed them as well, then I would think that he frank(en)ly deserved what he got.

    I'm talking about the multiple accusations against one man...often 10, 20, 30 women who finally get up and say...yes, he did that with me as well. They often take a long time to think about it before they accuse because they are embarrassed by it, or are afraid that if they DO say something about the harrassment, they will lose their job or be blacklisted.

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    I believe Franken is up to 5 or more accusers AKR, is that a sufficient number for your test?
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    Are they independent accusers with no ties to each other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BmillsSkier View Post
    I believe Franken is up to 5 or more accusers AKR, is that a sufficient number for your test?
    How many "Switft boat" accusers were there? Just sayin......... it's all good if it helps a cause you believe in...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    For the third time: People bear false witness all the time for causes they feel are just.
    Sure - though Franken's pattern is fitting the same arc of "well, I remember it differently." Which is to say, yeah I did some stuff, but I thought it was funny/ok/etc. I get that some can be wronged, but Franken's situation doesn't seem like a great illustration of a standup guy being thrown under the bus on account of fake testimony. He's a serial cheater like Clinton that eventually got splashed by bad PR. It should happen more often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steepconcrete View Post
    Very true. IMO Franken was used as a pawn by the democrats to score a moral victory.
    Your fox news is showing... Democrats forced Franken out to ramp up their strategy to bring down Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    How many "Switft boat" accusers were there? Just sayin......... it's all good if it helps a cause you believe in...........
    I don’t believe in any politician and have no cause here.

    Smoke and fire, they’re usually related. Repeated similar stories of groping is a little past the coincidence stage. Sorry if anyone here had a real vested interest in their guy getting the boot today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmillsSkier View Post
    a real vested interest in their guy getting the boot today.
    This country was probably a better place with with a Senator Al Franken than it will be with a Senator Roy Moore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    This country was probably a better place with with a Senator Al Franken than it will be with a Senator Roy Moore.
    We'll never know now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    This country was probably a better place with with a Senator Al Franken than it will be with a Senator Roy Moore.
    I totally agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    We'll never know now.
    Yeah we can now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    This country was probably a better place with with a Senator Al Franken than it will be with a Senator Roy Moore.
    Yeah, no kidding. But Franken will be replaced by a dem that can focus on exposing shitbirds like Judge Roy without the paralyzing squawk of what-about replies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    This country was probably a better place with with a Senator Al Franken than it will be with a Senator Roy Moore.
    And I look forward to Moore (if he gets in) getting shown the door on day 1 like so many have said they would.

    And if they don’t then they just signed their own walking papers.

    Or we’ll get a new hashtag to distract us all in 6 months and none of this will be anything but a footnote.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BmillsSkier View Post
    And I look forward to Moore (if he gets in) getting shown the door on day 1 like so many have said they would.

    And if they don’t then they just signed their own walking papers.

    Or we’ll get a new hashtag to distract us all in 6 months and none of this will be anything but a footnote.


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    If Moore gets in, he will be welcomed with open arms by the Republican party. He'll be thanked for joining the club of Gropers Old Party, and get on with the republican agenda. No walking papers will have been signed. And only the feeble minded are distracted by #hashtags. #feebleminds...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BmillsSkier View Post
    And I look forward to Moore (if he gets in) getting shown the door on day 1 like so many have said they would.

    And if they don’t then they just signed their own walking papers.

    Or we’ll get a new hashtag to distract us all in 6 months and none of this will be anything but a footnote.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    If Moore gets in, he will be welcomed with open arms by the Republican party. He'll be thanked for joining the club of Gropers Old Party, and get on with the republican agenda. No walking papers will have been signed. And only the feeble minded are distracted by #hashtags. #feebleminds...
    PPS.

    I eagerly await the results. Although ideally it will be moot with a Jones win.

    If Moore does win my money is on Bmills

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Actually, that unofficial policy will never be embraced by the Republicans so why should Democrats be forced to retire. I feel more comfortable acknowledging that all politicians are pond scum and to expect anything less from them is unrealistic. No need for Democrats to take the High Road and shoot themselves in the foot if the Republicans are represented by the Pussy Grabber and Chief and Alabama sends that POS to the Senate.

    Like Renee Russo said on this topic; "all women should know men can be sexual predators and conduct themselves accordingly. Know how to defend yourself and don't put yourself in a position (like going to some perverts room to read a script) that can lead to problems". (all paraphrased)
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    Is the "Me too" movement the Arab Spring for women?

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    I really hope it's more than just that. If it's not about bringing, influencing and supporting actual social change it's gonna be a big loss for the Dems.

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    Is the "Me too" movement the Arab Spring for women?

    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Actually, that unofficial policy will never be embraced by the Republicans so why should Democrats be forced to retire. I feel more comfortable acknowledging that all politicians are pond scum and to expect anything less from them is unrealistic. No need for Democrats to take the High Road and shoot themselves in the foot if the Republicans are represented by the Pussy Grabber and Chief and Alabama sends that POS to the Senate.

    Like Renee Russo said on this topic; "all women should know men can be sexual predators and conduct themselves accordingly. Know how to defend yourself and don't put yourself in a position (like going to some perverts room to read a script) that can lead to problems". (all paraphrased)
    In a way this is the long winded version of "she was asking for it by wearing a short skirt"

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    I would be willing to bet every senator could have some sexual accusations brought against them, both men and women. Power corrupts.

    I'd also bet there are plenty of women in power positions that have committed sexual harassment. Would anyone listen if men started coming out of the woodwork, or does that not fit today's agenda?

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    Rep. Trent Franks, an Arizona Republican who is among the most conservative members of the House, said Thursday he would resign his seat in a statement where he acknowledged asking two female subordinates to bear his surrogate children....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    Rep. Trent Franks, an Arizona Republican who is among the most conservative members of the House, said Thursday he would resign his seat in a statement where he acknowledged asking two female subordinates to bear his surrogate children....
    Saw this. How the hell did he ask? Like a scummy old man? It appears so as he stepped down.

    How do you ask for a real surrogate? Can it not be a subordinate if asked correctly? Probably inappropriate in any workplace, but the whole surrogate deal seems odd to me anyway. I work with a guy who's wife's doing it now.

    This whole thing is surreal.

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