Workplace Automation

[XavierD]

European labor culture has also encouraged many of their most productive and eager minds to relocate to the United States over the last few decades. The reverse is not really a trend at the same level.

If the social benifits and labor policies of Western Europe were the full future Wouldn’t we see a greater shift of professionals to those countries?

[skaredshtles]

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Blasphemy! In our robot-controlled world, sports is all we'll have left.

I guess if you consider mt biking, skiing, and porn "sports"...

I personally don't.

[GeezerSteve]

European labor culture has also encouraged many of their most productive and eager minds to relocate to the United States over the last few decades.

As a general rule, Germany and the Scandinavian countries have kept their best manufacturing minds

[PNWbrit]

European labor culture has also encouraged many of their most productive and eager minds to relocate to the United States over the last few decades.

Thanks.

If the social benifits and labor policies of Western Europe were the full future Wouldn’t we see a greater shift of professionals to those countries?

"Professionals" for the most part benefit from the lack of employee protections afforded in the US and rather than be drawn to giving their employees in Europe 6 weeks of vacation?

[Timberridge]

Imagine a robot that would serve tea and crumpets everyday at 5PM?

[PNWbrit]

Imagine a robot that would serve tea and crumpets everyday at 5PM?

No need to imagine.

[BCMtnHound]

Always been a steady immigration of environmental professionals from Yurp coming to BC during my career. Not sure of the motivation of the same to the US, but here they all universally list open space at the top of the list. Never heard one yet list money or barriers to advancement as a reason. Anecdotal so take it for what it's worth.

[The AD]

European labor culture has also encouraged many of their most productive and eager minds to relocate to the United States over the last few decades.

How do you it's the "European labor culture" and not other factors?

[TAFKALVS]

I'd rather buy more CNC equipment and hire a few skilled operators than have a bunch of employees making parts by hand.

CNC equipment doesn't:
Call in sick
Show up with an attitude
Eat lunch
Take smoke breaks
Have inconsistent results
Quit and go work for a competitor
Care that it's doing the same task daily
Demand a certain level of pay or benefits
Cause drama with other CNC equipment

[The AD]

I'd rather buy more CNC equipment and hire a few skilled operators than have a bunch of employees making parts by hand.

CNC equipment doesn't:
Call in sick
Show up with an attitude
Eat lunch
Take smoke breaks
Have inconsistent results
Quit and go work for a competitor
Care that it's doing the same task daily
Demand a certain level of pay or benefits
Cause drama with other CNC equipment

...Try to cover up errors.

Just got done reading an ethics report at my work where a mechanic was covering up poorly drilled holes by installing washers.

[GeezerSteve]

How do you [know] it's the "European labor culture" and not other factors?

Haven't you heard that all things bad are the fault of the weak and powerless and never the fault of the rich and powerful?

[WMD]

i think I will be ready to check out when my time comes between the changes coming with automation and global climate change

I try not to sound like an old man, but I tell my teenagers that when they are my age, the world is going to be a vastly different place

I have a 10 year old and an 8 year old and I think about this all the time. How do I help prepare them for a world in which everything will be different? What skills will they need? Is teaching the value of hard work important anymore?

I am trying to teach them that less is more, and nature, relationships, and recreation are more important than accumulating more stuff.

Climate change and labor upheaval scare me as I think there will be lots of armed conflict.

[RootSkier]

I've always lived well below my means, so you're preaching to the choir. Note that when I've suggested on TGR threads that people avoid borrowing money to buy a fancy car or getting out of debt as young as possible, I've gotten attacked.

You don't have kids, do you?

Not that you can't do these things with kids, but jesus fuck they are expensive and yes, I knew this before having them.

[glademaster]

You don't have kids, do you?

Not that you can't do these things with kids, but jesus fuck they are expensive and yes, I knew this before having them.

If you can't afford to provide your spawn with a reasonable quality of life, while also assuring your own financial stability, then you shouldn't breed. End of discussion.

I won't have children unless I am damn near certain that I can provide them with the same or better quality of life that my parents provided me with, so guess what, I'm 28 years old and pretty damn sure I will never be a breeder. I'm okay with that, especially with the direction the world is going in.

[GeezerSteve]

Suggesting that one doesn't borrow money to buy a fancy car one cannot afford is sound advice whether or not one has kids

[Marshall Tucker]

[goldengatestinx]

It's all just shifting demographics. Consider how many people worked in agriculture 100 years ago versus now. Some jobs go away, but new jobs emerge to take their place.

People whine and gnash teeth about shitty jobs....then they whine about the shitty jobs going away. People will always whine.

[wooley12]

If you can't afford to provide your spawn with a reasonable quality of life, while also assuring your own financial stability, then you shouldn't breed. End of discussion.

Holey fuck! You really believe that? Well, it does make sense if you don't think about it. Lot's of folks do that.

[Ted Striker]

[ncskier]

I read an interesting article about the work ethic recently. Basically it's a modern invention. throughout history most people basically worked enough to get by and if they lived where that was easy, they didn't work much at all.

I've read similar. Even today basic hunter gathers spend less then 5 hours per day on "living".
Kind of goes in with my theory on why northern climate countries are more industrious. If you live were you can snatch a lobster and coconut off your hammock and its 72 degrees year round, you dont dream of ways of splitting more wood in the summer months to keep warm and can and preserve food etc. No need for a puritanical work ethic when everything you need is in front of you

[GeezerSteve]

Kind of goes in with my theory on why northern climate countries are more industrious.

Historians concur that pre-Columbian PNW coastal native tribes worked less and had more leisure time than any current civilization.

You theory begs the definition of "industrious." SE Asia sweatshops are full of industrious workers who work harder and more diligently than most Americans and western Europeans.

[iceman]

I have a 10 year old and an 8 year old and I think about this all the time. How do I help prepare them for a world in which everything will be different? What skills will they need? Is teaching the value of hard work important anymore?

I don't know but those are the types of questions and discussions I was hoping this thread would would be about, more than people patting themselves on the back for not liking sports.

The question to me is, what should a relatively smart person do now, to try to prepare for this future that is rushing up on us? What can we do to prepare ourselves and our kids for what is going to amount to a new world in basically the immediate future?

And sure, "be frugal", I get it. Is that it? If we're frugal everything will be cool? Good to know.

[GoldMember]

I've read similar. Even today basic hunter gathers spend less then 5 hours per day on "living".
Kind of goes in with my theory on why northern climate countries are more industrious. If you live were you can snatch a lobster and coconut off your hammock and its 72 degrees year round, you dont dream of ways of splitting more wood in the summer months to keep warm and can and preserve food etc. No need for a puritanical work ethic when everything you need is in front of you

Agreed. I have always felt similarly. Societies in the tropics tended to live a certain way for thousands of years whereas N. Europeans were industrious and innovative in finding means and methods to stave off the coming winter. And they invented skiing so, there's that.

[GoldMember]

Historians concur that pre-Columbian PNW coastal native tribes worked less and had more leisure time than any current civilization.

As with anything, there are always pockets of exception.

[iceman]

Historians concur that pre-Columbian PNW coastal native tribes worked less and had more leisure time than any current civilization. So much for your theory

They could get dinner, building materials and clothing in no time from the woods and waters and it was a fairly temperate environment, so they didn't need to struggle to stay alive in winter. That to me reinforces his point, it certainly doesn't contradict it at least.