Originally Posted by
Andyski
The 108 has my extreme attention: how overlapped with a mantra 102 you think? The mfree sounds more playful and pivoty. Anyone been on both?
Own the 184 M102 and 192 MFree...Not sure you are going to get very objective info in this thread, but here it goes...
The M102 is a much more directional charger than the MF108. The M102 is far more damp and is better on hard pack. The M102 skis loose in deep snow, especially considering how little rocker it has. The M102 has virtually no speed limit (my kid clocked 60+ MPH on his at Park City last week and felt he could have pushed them faster). Oh yeah, they eat crud and float well for only being 102 in the waist. They are an all-mountain/big mountain ski that rules firm or variable conditions but also holds it own in deep snow.
Now to the MF108. There is a lot of hype in this thread about how “fun” this ski is...and it is not embellished. The MF108 is a powerful, energetic, and fun ski. It really wants to be off trail and in soft snow. It skis amazingly loose. I was a skeptic with all that camber, but it is so much fun in soft off trail conditions at a place like a Stevens Pass. I love it in the trees, where it rivals a Billy Goat for loose smeary turns. It probably floats better than any other 108 waist ski I have ever tried. Kills powder and more than holds its own in crud.
Now, let’s get to firm conditions. It is very capable on hard snow. It rails and is quite stable at speed, but you have to work a bit to not get the tails to wash out at the end of a turn. It took me a while to figure that piece out. Compared to the M102, the MF108 takes more work and concentration to stay in the turn. Also, it is not as damp and that camber can fight against you on roughed up groomers...the ski absorbs energy and wants to do something with it. The MF108 is not bad on firm snow, it just demands more from the skier. Also, this may be an unpopular opinion, but I think the MF108 has a speed limit...albeit a very high one. It may be that I just suck, but I’m not as confident going Mach Schnell on the MF108 as I am on the M102.
Finally, the M102 is more forgiving (due to its dampness) than the MF108. I also think the difference in camber profile plays a role here, too.
So, both are great skis, but it really depends on what you want out of a ski. With our most recent ridiculously deep snow cycle in the PNW, you could ski the MF108 everyday and be stoked about it. If you are going to be skiing firmer or variable conditions, I think there are much better options.
I think the better comparison is the Katana K108 and MF108. And in that showdown, it would be nitpicking to choose a winner.
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