The Dynastar Thread

[Norseman]

Want.

[phatty]

Okay fine.

Me: 195lbs, ski with eagle arms.

My normal quiver rotation this year:
Mfree118, Mfree108, LP105.

Conditions:
April midwinter conditions: 2-4" dust on very firm crust, slush, firm groomers, slush groomers, refrozen moguls... a mixed bag.

Mounted the skis at +1, which I feel good about after skiing the mfree lineup for the last 2 years.

The "192" mpro 108 is actually more like a 194 or 195 in length. Its markedly longer in appearance than the 192 lp105 or the mfree108.

Its actually 110mm underfoot.

The boot mark lines up with the old lp105. I've always found that to be a very rearward mount, so again, I felt good at +1, and after skiing them I would not change that.

The rocker in the tip is identical to the mfree108. The tail rocker reminds me of the Legend x106, low but enough to make the ski release easily.

The shape is tapered but similar to the lp105. No radical taper in the tail or anything weird. I detuned the tips and tails.

How they differ from the mpro105/pro 105/lp105/pro rider
-much more float.
-feel lighter, more responsive.
-more "supple" feeling in rough snow.
-less demanding and bigger sweet spot.
-slightly looser tail.
-a little more turny on edge.
-require less speed and don't require a lack of self preservation instinct to be fun.
-less camber than lp105.
-more rocker.
-still very stable and damp, but less abusive when you aren't "on it".

How they differ from the mfree108:
-more stable on firm snow.
-more damp on rough/refrozen surfaces.
-less bouncy (quieter, less feelings of getting bounced off stuff).
-less slashy.
-tail is more secure.
-more effective edge to use.
-bigger sweet spot on groomers.
-can push forebody of the ski much harder, especially in rough snow.


Thought/impressions:
-wow.
-this is exactly what I want on my feet right now.
-this is the fastest I've skied this year.
-the "powerdrive" layup is noticeable. This ski is incredibly damp and smooth.
-the addition of metal makes the layup feel even better.
-this ski has incredible edge grip for 110mm underfoot. Like drag your hip 80mm groomer ski edge grip. Insane. But not hooky.
-the radius is perfect. I straightlined multiple 500' vert pitches of steep, rough snow and never felt like the ski was hooky.
-its a big stable ski, but very friendly and approachable. Its much easier to ski than the LP105, but is definitely a little more ski than the mfree108. But in a way its a ski you can be a little lazier on than the mfree108, as it doesn't require you to be as active on the ski. It feels very damp and stable.
-its not a loose slasher like the mfree108. It likes a more traditional turn, and requires you to ski it from the front of the boots.
-I took it in to some tight trees (those that ski with me are familiar with my definition here) and definitely the mfree108 is the superior tool.

Mfree vs Mpro: Verdict is out on what ski I will grab. For a more traditional turn skier, its got similar qualities to the mfree but more EE and a shape that rewards a little more forward stance. Which i like. I think pow performance will be similar but less loose, and probably not the ski for tighter trees.

Lp105 vs Mpro:
I am certain that I would prefer the mpro over the lp105. To me the mpro is a more modern and more enjoyable ski with greater versatility and a bigger sweet spot.

I want to try the 182 length, as it could actually be a really great DD if the stability is still there in the shorter length. That said, I wouldn't be afraid of the 192 as a daily driver at my mountain which is fairly open. This ski would kill it at a Big Sky type place. It doesn't ski like a Super Goat, Bodacious, or "comp ski" of old. It certainly can charge but it's not something that is continually trying to kill you.

Interesting to hear the comments on the length. Very interested in this for next year, but sounds like it might not be the right tool for Alpental, the opposite of open/big mountain. So wish I was going to be there to try them this weekend. Hopefully a few more Mags will be able to give opinions after BBI.

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[Kopi_Red]

Very interesting

[sf]

Sounds like a great ski for the right terrain.

But.....let me try to make a summary of Dynastar ski lengths currently:
192 MPRO: 194-195
192 MFREE108: 189
182 MFREE102: 182
185 MFREE99: 182

[mr_pretzel]

Awesome write up! Do we have rocker shots?

Any thoughts on moguls?

[TAFKALVS]

Sounds like a great ski for the right terrain.

But.....let me try to make a summary of Dynastar ski lengths currently:
192 MPRO: 194-195
192 MFREE108: 189
182 MFREE102: 182
185 MFREE99: 182

I think in a blister podcast with someone at rossi/dynastar they made a comment that stated length for their skis was slightly flexible based on the design intent for the ski, and how the ski skied vs. the true length.

Awesome write up! Do we have rocker shots?

Any thoughts on moguls?

I have rocker shots but the TGR mobile site is a pain. I'd actually like to grab a picture with the mfree108, lp105, and mpro108 side by side so you can all see the difference.

[sf]

I think in a blister podcast with someone at rossi/dynastar they made a comment that stated length for their skis was slightly flexible based on the design intent for the ski, and how the ski skied vs. the true length.

Yeah, it's not like the metric system is ment to be a standard or anything.....

At this point some ski manufacturers should consider moving over to a S-M-L-XL-based system, since marketing seems more important than stated numbers.

[2FUNKY]

Interesting take. Sounds like a sweet ski.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Interesting take. Sounds like a sweet ski.

Sounds like your Stormrider 110 tt


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[kid-kapow]

ah, sounds interesting. I would love to see some rocker shots of them too if possible

But.....let me try to make a summary of Dynastar ski lengths currently:
192 MPRO: 194-195
192 MFREE108: 189
182 MFREE102: 182
185 MFREE99: 182

To add to the confusion:
MF108 172: 169.5
MF99 171: 169.5
MF108 182: 181.5

Thanks marketing department!

[TAFKALVS]

To add to the confusion:
MF108 172: 169.5
MF99 171: 169.5
MF108 182: 181.5

Thanks marketing department!

To be fair, the 192 mpro108 is a "194" relative to the "192" length of the mfree108.

Length is just a state of mind, man.

[jackattack]

Awesome write up! Do we have rocker shots?

Any thoughts on moguls?

I have no thoughts on moguls.

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[nickwm21]

The Dynastar marketing team is not the first to throttle the stated length…


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

To be fair, the 192 mpro108 is a "194" relative to the "192" length of the mfree108.

Length is just a state of mind, man.

Yeah, it’s all about girth


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[2FUNKY]

Sounds like your Stormrider 110 tt


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Yes it does.

[Kopi_Red]

Length is just a state of mind, man.

Yeeaaaaaahhh maaaaaaaaaaaaann

[klauss]

MPro108 sounds nice. Reminds me of a Cadillac CTS

[kid-kapow]

I have no thoughts on moguls.

Thanks jackattack - I totally forgot about those already posted rocker pics. Thanks for the remind!

Man, that rocker line and that description make these sound very, very promising.

My project for the next few days, trying these back to back:

MF108 192 vs 182s, both (re-) mounted at +1.5.

[Lord Thomas]

Thinking I'd like to back to back Mpro 108 192 and Katana 108 191. Sounds like their trying to get to the same place but on slightly different paths.

[nickwm21]

Thinking I'd like to back to back Mpro 108 192 and Katana 108 191. Sounds like their trying to get to the same place but on slightly different paths.

These new “approachable chargers”are awesome; Cochise 106, Katana, sounds like this ski fits in that category…. They might loose 5% of that full throttle charger but they gain a ton of utility elsewhere.


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[lrn2swim]

Thinking I'd like to back to back Mpro 108 192 and Katana 108 191. Sounds like their trying to get to the same place but on slightly different paths.

I'd like to add the Wren110 Pro and the Commander108 to this mix too. Would be very informative/fun to pull this A-B-C-D comparison off

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[scottishrider]

So is the 182 MPro 108 actually a 184/185?

[gaijin]

Since day one of my M102 all I’ve wanted to do is sell it. I love it. It shreds. But it also has a stupid carbon tip that has to send sounds to my ears.

Why is there carbon in a 102 ski? Same with the K108.

Carbon tips destroyed the Volkl line.

This MPro 108 has me drooling. I just want glass for this genre.


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[Hood26]

These new “approachable chargers”are awesome; Cochise 106, Katana, sounds like this ski fits in that category…. They might loose 5% of that full throttle charger but they gain a ton of utility elsewhere.


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For sure. I love being able to poke around in new to me terrain and then be able to open it up to move down my favorites lines.

[Lord Thomas]

These new “approachable chargers”are awesome; Cochise 106, Katana, sounds like this ski fits in that category…. They might loose 5% of that full throttle charger but they gain a ton of utility elsewhere.


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YES. The ability to instantly toggle between stun and kill settings is awesome. Seems like it wasn't too long ago that I had a ski(s) for each. If there was more season in front of us I'd suggest a bunch of guys who own one or more of this class of skis getting together for our own demo to the death.