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11-21-2017, 11:54 AM #76
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11-21-2017, 11:59 AM #77
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11-21-2017, 02:15 PM #78Registered User
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This is all great feedback, thanks. As we begin making many of the iterations of our different models we'll do our best to compile spec data and post it on the site. However, because of our current business model, we haven't made every single ski in every single length simply because they haven't been ordered, which makes hyper-detailed data collection somewhat difficult.
We probably won't use actual photos on the site until we can get a handle on how it'll actually look, aesthetically and thematically, with how our site works now. I will however, try to post some examples here for you all to look at.
As for the profile image on our site, those are taken directly from our CAD-drawn molds and are incredibly accurate so if it speaks to you then, well, it speaks to you. As far as mount points, we go center of sidecut and we dimple our sidewalls to make it easy on you. I will compile those numbers when I get a chance to put them on the site to be more helpful.
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11-21-2017, 02:23 PM #79Registered User
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I'm fairly certain we won't ever go the direction of having an enormous spreadsheet next to our products; mostly because the general public would get confused by all those numbers whereas an accurate profile image of our molds tends to be a more universal way of conveying how the ski will perform and what it's meant for. We're currently taking the approach of addressing individual requests for details and specs. In the end, however, we're a new company and there will be early adopters and there will be those for whom it'll take time to gain their trust. We're okay with both of those; we're young, have time and aren't trying to blow this company up because that'll certainly get in the way of our ski days.
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11-21-2017, 02:33 PM #80
I don't know your metrics Betelgeuse but I'm 6' 6" and 250 with just my skibbies on.
Since I'm right next door to them I'll probably end up on a pair soon and let you know. But I Imagine they have a ski that will work for us. Especially me a non-pro goof ball that likes to chase LVS.
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11-21-2017, 02:48 PM #81
Good to know your profile images are direct from the CAD files. They looked a bit... exaggerated, which is why actual photos often help.
As for mount point - center of sidecut is great, but what I want to know is where the center of sidecut/mount point is relative to the true center of the ski. That can tell you a lot about what sort of stance a ski rewards the most (centered, forward driving, etc.) There's no substitute for actually skiing something, but absent the ability to do that, this info helps.
I've skied a lot of skis and know pretty well what I like and don't like. I'm 100% sure that at some point a ski will come along that's outside those specs that will surprise me, but I'm not going to plunk down a grand on a depreciating asset as an experiment.
Now all that said, I'm psyched to see more US made indie manufacturers that are interested in putting out a very high quality product and I wish you the greatest success regardless of if I ever buy skis from you or not.
One last question - what thicknesses are you using on bases and edges?
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11-21-2017, 03:02 PM #82
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11-21-2017, 03:07 PM #83
Thanks for all the productive responses. I'm super interested to see more info/customer feedback on the BC skis as it comes out. It sounds like it isn't your primary focus, but I'd love to see more quality, domestically made, backcountry skis on the market and hope you both give that segment the attention it deserves.
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11-21-2017, 03:31 PM #84
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11-21-2017, 04:00 PM #85
Whats up with Lithic Skis?
Ok you guys, here’s my perspective on the Ramblin Jack 108. I’ve been skiing with the Lithic guys off and on for a couple of seasons, and as an enthusiastic/slightly neurotic gear fiddler I’ve been looking over their shoulder at the shop as well. I had the opportunity to work with them on designing the Jack, as I tend to spend most of my time touring these days. I’ve skied a number of lightweight and moderately heavy touring rigs over the years, and after getting to WA four years ago I found myself wanting a steady, predictable ski that would be fun in most conditions. We went after this design with the 3-6k powder seeking day tour in mind. There’s lots of good stuff out there in the ski industry, of course- but I’ve broken several pairs of lightweight skis in a single season, so I’ve gravitated (like many of us) to the smaller independent brands that focus tons of attention on durability. The high points we went for on the Jack:
User friendly but nimble shape- tip and tail taper for releasability, and forgiveness on breakable crust and other hooky junk.
Moderate tip and low, fairly flat tail rocker- good float up front for deep days, but a functional, businesslike tail for skinning and less than ideal conditions. There’s a few mm of camber underfoot. I’m really stoked with how it skis.
Fairly long radius, 27m. Not as large as some, but a good blend of steady and predictable in variable snow, combined with the ability to lay them over and rail on firmer stuff. Not hooky and jittery in odd snow like a small radius.
They kept an eye on weight, but not to sacrifice durability. There’s the option to go with the inbounds or backcountry core. Inbounds core in the 181 is just over 8.5 pounds, and backcountry core is roughly a pound lighter, and these numbers are still settling in to place. There are lighter skis in this category, but I like the toughness and stability. Worth it in my world.
The Hill 120 is a similar shape, rocker, and overall concept, but sized up to 120 underfoot. Both the Hill and Jack are definitely directional shapes, if you want more tail rocker/rise, the Cash or Cohen would be worth a look, and the full on five point shapes are great also! The Backcountry core is an option on all of them.
What you’re gathering about the Ramblin’ Jack is likely not earth shattering- It’s a stable, predictable, durable, modern shape that’s meant to handle well in lots of conditions and still party in pow. Build quality is high, and like a few of other forum favorite builders, you can call or email the guys who will be building your ski. I’ve skied with these guys, and watched them at the shop, and they really care about the final product and the experience that goes with it. Attention to detail is really high.
I’m 5’11”, 200 pounds + gear. For my personal rig I went with the inbounds core/181, to be mounted with Kingpins. I was on the prototypes last winter with a prototype core, and absolutely can’t wait to get these on snow this year.
Let's go skiing.Last edited by riff; 11-21-2017 at 04:25 PM.
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11-21-2017, 04:09 PM #86Registered User
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11-21-2017, 05:10 PM #87
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11-21-2017, 05:11 PM #88
Riff, I gotta take a spin next time we're both at Stevens. BSL is 306mm these days. I know those kingpins will adjust up enough.
wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
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11-21-2017, 05:19 PM #89
Whats up with Lithic Skis?
Yeah guys! 296 vulcans here. I'll be at Stevens a bunch until the backcountry fills in properly, and then still at Stevens on big days. Let's make it happen.
I'm bummed to miss the banff show, at work until Thursday...
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11-21-2017, 05:32 PM #90Registered User
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We use the same materials, base and edge-wise, that we learned to build skis with; 1.4mm thick base and the correlated edges. You can go thicker, as I think ON3P does, but we've not had any issues using our current dimensioned material and don't really see a need to change it up.
We recommend a -9 back mount point on both the RJ and Hill in those particular lengths. That's a couple cm back from where most of our other skis get dimpled which is typically closer to -7 back, which I then move up one or two cm for my personal skis depending on how I'm feeling, which is completely a skier style preference. For my inbounds setup I prefer a longer tail while I prefer a shorter tail for my bc setup allowing easier kick turns in sporty terrain.
I've included a few pics of the tip, mid, and tail of our Hills and the RJs are the same.
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11-21-2017, 06:44 PM #91Banned
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Whats up with Lithic Skis?
You are quite a bit larger than me. I am 6’3” 205lbs nekkid. I lost 20 lbs over the course of the fall, and finally have gotten back into decent shape (for me). I am on that non-pro, goof ball level as well, but I like to ski fast and jump off things.
Definitely interested in the RJ!!
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11-21-2017, 08:03 PM #92
That profile looks awesome and much more subtle than what the graphic on the website looked like.
I know I said last question, but one more. How do you measure ski length? Material length before it goes in the press (like most manufacturers) or actual length of the finished ski (like ON3P)?
Really appreciate you making the effort to answer all these questions.
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11-21-2017, 08:10 PM #93Banned
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The RJ/Hill tail rocker has me very intrigued!
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11-21-2017, 09:41 PM #94Registered User
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11-22-2017, 01:12 PM #95Registered User
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11-22-2017, 02:04 PM #96Registered User
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I've got a pair of Ramblin Jacks @181cm on order and will most likely be riding them ~5 days a week at Stevens once they arrive. I'll try to remember to get back to this thread with my 2c after I've had some time on them.
If you are in the area, definitely try to poke into their shop, it speaks volumes about the product.
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11-22-2017, 09:12 PM #97Registered User
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Am incredibly stoked buddy mounting up some Cash 110s in the shop tonight!
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11-22-2017, 09:30 PM #98
When I showed up last night I guess you guys were already packed up! I guess I'll have to swing by the shop sometime.
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11-23-2017, 01:56 PM #99
I nominate "change for a nickel" as the Maggot discount code for Lithic purchases.
Carry on.
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11-23-2017, 02:10 PM #100
the 181 ramblin jack at ~7.5lbs is pretty tempting, especially if there's a mag discount code. just sayin
good looking skis, I appreciate having the bc core option on all the models.
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