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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by peshastin_proud View Post
    Listening, for sure. The Rx is cool but...well, we'll bring something to BBI that will change your mind.
    AWESOME!!!

    I'm available for testing the Arlo if
    you’ll train it to behave like an Rx

    it will be great if you join us for 18BBI@Alpental
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    Welcome to the board.

    You'll be getting a lot of attention here in no time, with your background at Praxis and the props you give to ON3P. Those two brands are held dearly around here and have gained great honor by making outstanding skis for folks who really know how to ski and who expect high performance, durability, and inspired geometry.

    Count me as extremely interested in learning more about your line and your construction methods. Your site doesn't mention the use of fiberglass... do you omit it? What woods comprise your cores?

    I'm pretty firmly sold on the BillyGoat shape for maritime shredding, having spent a solid five seasons on the 191... but they won't last forever and I like trying new shit once in a while. Looks like the Arlo hits the same niche.

    I peeked into your shop once during a visit to Leavenworth Skier's office this summer... perhaps I could meet you and check out your digs at some point if I can haul my ass out there again?

    Let's make some turns this season.
    Let's definitely make some turns this season! Yeah, a construction tab is also something that we've been meaning to get on the site that better explains our methods and processes...once things calm down a bit at the factory it'll be up there, for sure. However, here's the skinny; we do use fiberglass in two different weights depending on the length of the ski. Our inbounds core is made up of three different woods: full-length maple and ash as the center stringers for binding retention and great flex with a lighter hardwood, basswood, as our filler wood towards the outside of the core. Our BC core has a different, somewhat secret makeup but it's still full-length pieces of wood but we throw in paulownia to take the weight down by a pound. We do not use finger joints in any of our cores because that's where I've always broken skis. Like Praxis, our cores are book-matched, which means each pair is taken out of the same core block and should flex identically. We press pairs together, which is strangely unlike other small companies that have been doing it for awhile and that just means each pair of skis has identical flex, camber, rocker, etc.

    I'm certainly not trying to plug our instagram feed but that is one avenue into seeing how we do things in the shop.

    As for the Billy Goats, I honestly don't know too much about them other than a lot of folks seem to like them. Our Arlo and Guthrie may fit into that category of ski but I'd also look at our Cohen 118, which is new this year but extensively prototyped last year with really solid results.

    I hope all this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW_SKIER View Post
    Hello there. Lws told me about you guys when I got my tour as well. I'm somewhat of a gear whore. I'll be watching. Hope to meet you guys and try some skis this year.
    It'd be a pleasure to meet you as well...let us know whenever you're in the area or skiing Stevens or Mission and we'll do our best to get you on some sticks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    AWESOME!!!

    I'm available for testing the Arlo if
    you’ll train it to behave like an Rx

    it will be great if you join us for 18BBI@Alpental
    Deal and I'd also point you in the direction of our Seeger 112...it's a very similar platform to the Rx.

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    Cool stuff. Are the ski weights anywhere on your website? That’s always helpful info, especially for the BC models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STLHD View Post
    Cool stuff. Are the ski weights anywhere on your website? That’s always helpful info, especially for the BC models.
    For sure, those specs are something we're currently in the process of compiling. There is some extrapolation involved since we've not made every iteration of our skis in every length and model but we'll do our best to get that information out soon. In the meantime, however, let me know what model and length you're somewhat interested in and we'll get a weight to you if we have it.

    Cheers

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    I’m sending Lithic some BBI stickers
    to help you decorate your new shop.
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    What kind of weights are you getting on the 187 ramblin jack?

    Could be a goldilocks touring ski for me. Got any demos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    I’m sending Lithic some BBI stickers
    to help you decorate your new shop.
    Rad, thanks!


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    Quote Originally Posted by peshastin_proud View Post
    Yeah, so the Protest was my favorite shape while we were at Praxis thus we were unashamedly inspired for our Guthrie and Arlo shapes. One significant difference, though, is that we've added a slightly tighter turn radius to the program which I really dig. Honestly, our Arlo 116 is probably the best pow ski I've ever been on and when the pow turns to chop, man, they really shine. The tapered tip doesn't get deflected and tends to just float over all that heavy PNW blocky stuff. I love those sticks!
    LVS told me about you guys last year and I have been watching your product line since.
    I figured your were from the Praxis crew since your shapes are similar.
    The ProTest is my hands down favorite soft snow ski. I immediately noticed the similarity in the Guthrie as well as the Arlo. A better ProTest sounds unpossible but I'm willing to give'er a try. I will be for sure following this thread to hear more about your builds and future designs.
    Planning on coming out to mission to ski with LVS this winter and wouldn't mind demoing some skis. Maybe we can make arrangements so a few of us mags can make the trip and you guys can shred with us and geek out on skis for the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kai_ski View Post
    What kind of weights are you getting on the 187 ramblin jack?

    Could be a goldilocks touring ski for me. Got any demos?
    Unfortunately, no demos on that ski at the moment but hopefully later this winter. That ski, with our BC core is coming in just over 7 lbs. It’s a ridiculously good BC ski!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    LVS told me about you guys last year and I have been watching your product line since.
    I figured your were from the Praxis crew since your shapes are similar.
    The ProTest is my hands down favorite soft snow ski. I immediately noticed the similarity in the Guthrie as well as the Arlo. A better ProTest sounds unpossible but I'm willing to give'er a try. I will be for sure following this thread to hear more about your builds and future designs.
    Planning on coming out to mission to ski with LVS this winter and wouldn't mind demoing some skis. Maybe we can make arrangements so a few of us mags can make the trip and you guys can shred with us and geek out on skis for the day.
    That all sounds great...we’ll definitely get you on some skis even if I have to unmount my personal Arlos and throw our demo bindings on them. Keep me posted on your visit. We really really like skiing!


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    Quote Originally Posted by peshastin_proud View Post
    That all sounds great...we’ll definitely get you on some skis even if I have to unmount my personal Arlos and throw our demo bindings on them. Keep me posted on your visit. We really really like skiing!


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    Will do and appreciate the offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY;
    Planning on coming out to mission to ski with LVS this winter and wouldn't mind demoing some skis. Maybe we can make arrangements so a few of us mags can make the trip and you guys can shred with us and geek out on skis for the day.
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    I really like the ski naming convention.
    No longer stuck.

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    Just an uneducated guess.

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    ^my thoughts exactly. Must be good dudes; they like good music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peshastin_proud View Post
    Unfortunately, no demos on that ski at the moment but hopefully later this winter. That ski, with our BC core is coming in just over 7 lbs. It’s a ridiculously good BC ski!
    If there's a time that works for you guys, I'd like to come take a look at what you've got. I'm in Wenatchee.

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    Hey all, the Lithic guys just gave me a heads up about this thread so I figured I'd better chime in. I've been skiing with them and hanging out in the shop a fair bit over the last two seasons, and I was fortunate enough to be involved in developing the Ramblin' Jack last winter. I'm putting myself out there to answer pm's and so forth from you guys about the lineup, and when I get a minute I'll put up some design philosophy about the Jacks. I'll have a pair of 181's with kingpins mounted for a 296 if you want take them for a spin at Stevens.
    Cheers!


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    Plus some scenery stoke from the Stevens backside today !


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    The ash/basswood sounds like deans old skis. (H20g) I know they were being pressed/built by praxis, you worked/learned there. Totally makes sense.

    If you can build or have a ski anything like the Kodiak it's full of win. Best ski I ever been on. Still pissed I sold em

    Good luck. Sounds like you're on the right track.

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    That Prine 108 really perks me up. Looks like just a fun ski. Any further comment on it? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by peshastin_proud View Post

    ....we do use fiberglass in two different weights depending on the length of the ski......

    ....We do not use finger joints...

    ....each pair is taken out of the same core block....

    ...We press pairs together....
    These seem like obvious best practices. Surprised to hear this is not industry standard.
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    Those practices work well when you're dealing with a very small volume of skis, but I believe it is far more common for skis to be paired at QC based on weight, camber, rocker height/length and possibly flex.

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    Whats up with Lithic Skis?

    Quote Originally Posted by peshastin_proud View Post

    As far as weights, this is another thing we've debated putting on the site and, full disclosure, it was meant to be added when we retooled our site but have been too busy to add those specs. Essentially, our Cash 110 in a 184 length weighs about 8.5lbs with our inbounds/standard core. That number keeps us a bit lower than perhaps our closest competitor (product-wise, not volume-wise), ON3P, who I'd admit is making great stuff. In fact, they're one of the few independent companies out there who we truly respect for making a quality product and seemingly doing things right. We personally don't like bamboo cores since they tend to be soft and heavy which is a bit of a bad dynamic. This conclusion comes from the fact that we make a bunch of OEM skis for other brands who have asked us to use bamboo core...the weight difference is significant!
    Weight is good for inbounds skis!!!

    1900g/ski is WAYYY too light for me on a 110mm waist, inbounds ski. My thinnest, 92mm skis weigh 2100g/ski.

    I would love to hop onboard, but need more weight!

    Soft and heavy cores make for the best “playful charger” skis, at least IMO. I would take that any day over stiff/light.

    Not trying to knock on you, I just dont want you to forget about all the clydesdale skiers from the get go..Looking forward to buying your beefiest, baddest ski in the future! Needs to be at least 2350g/ski in a wider ski, before I even consider buying.

    Good Luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuse View Post
    Weight is good for inbounds skis!!!

    1900g/ski is WAYYY too light for me on a 110mm waist, inbounds ski. My thinnest, 92mm skis weigh 2100g/ski.

    I would love to hop onboard, but need more weight!

    Soft and heavy cores make for the best “playful charger” skis, at least IMO. I would take that any day over stiff/light.

    Not trying to knock on you, I just dont want you to forget about all the clydesdale skiers from the get go..Looking forward to buying your beefiest, baddest ski in the future! Needs to be at least 2350g/ski in a wider ski, before I even consider buying.

    Good Luck!

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    Dude these guys can rip on skis, don't get twisted up on weights. They aren't building some rando twig. A combination of weight, materials, shape, camber etc make the difference in a skis in snow feel.

    (Oh and ps, the lithic guys and I both agree that more mass to skis is better than less. We've had multiple conversations about it. In fact for their bc skis they've made them a bit heavier than they theroretically could, to improve downhill performance.)

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