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Thread: Kingpin charging
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02-21-2018, 08:26 AM #251Registered User
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02-21-2018, 08:34 AM #252
My first thought is that's pretty unlikely considering the standardization of pin holes on boots, but I suppose one with a thicker sole could in theory apply more stress if the boot is constantly pushing upwards and fighting the pins. That's the only variance I can think of. Shouldn't happen either way.
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02-21-2018, 08:41 AM #253
So I didn't have a chance to take a close look at this until today, but this appears to only be about the pins coming loose, not shearing off. Or am I missing something? As far as shearing is concerned, we still have no idea if there's a certain production run to be concerned about, correct? We do know the second gen silver pins have sheared and not the original black ones, correct? So you get to choose between the ones that wiggle loose or the ones that break off?
I'm considering just pulling them off my other setup at this point and getting another pair of tectons. I can deal with a heel piece breaking, but the toe is hell of a lot more serious.
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02-21-2018, 09:09 AM #254Registered User
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compare a kingpin pin to a dynafit pin and nothing about the design looks amiss as opposed to say a salomon toe fitting or any Rad1 binding
Even when the pis were coming out in the first Kingpins they were not breaking, its just a pin like any other pin so I'm guessing something is rong with the pin materialsLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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02-21-2018, 10:16 AM #255
Frankly I would take the ones that came loose. They could only fall out when removing the foot from the binding so at least failure mode was not while skiing. Same PITA in terms of equipment failure far from home but significantly less risk of injury.
As to boots, mine were with dynafit beast.
I would also be assuaged to hear that all failures had been within a particular production run. Enough to stop feverishly considering a replacement for my freshly warrantied set, at least temporarily.
It also occurred to me that if marker is out of bindings to send on warranty, that could mean one of two things. They sold way more than anticipated or They're doing a lot of warranties.
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02-21-2018, 10:43 AM #256Registered User
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Kingpin are popular I would bet everything has been ordered and shipped for the season and will sell out
I was in a hut last month where the guide was telling us back in the day a client had the early KP's with the loose pins so being fairly handy he did a forming adjustment on the arms with an axe and chopping blockLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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02-21-2018, 11:21 AM #257
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02-21-2018, 11:33 AM #258
I don't have Kingpins but am here to report that I was on a hut trip and high in the alpine a few weeks ago when another guy on the trip snapped the toe pin on his. He was a bigger guy and it broke on the uphill. I don't know how/why or who is really at fault, but it was quite surprising. Luckily we were uphill from the hut and he was able to get back with help from a bunch of Voile straps and he finished the trip on a nice pair of loaner skis that the hut had.
I have dynafits and always bring a spare toe piece on hut trips. After this experience I will be continuing that practice...
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02-21-2018, 11:57 AM #259Banned
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02-21-2018, 12:28 PM #260Registered User
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Maybe they were already stressed but hadn’t broken yet.
Concerning this is happening but also sucks that marker hasn’t done great on replacement parts.
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02-21-2018, 12:29 PM #261
They would not help on the Kingpins. What I meant was that a big selling point if the Kingpins was that they did not prerelease like Dynafits so you don't have to lock your toes when skiing consequential terrain like pillows. This makes it safer for the rider. However if the pins break that takes away a lot of the safety advantage.
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02-21-2018, 12:33 PM #262Banned
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03-05-2018, 07:15 AM #265Banned
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Ahhhhh marker living up to their high standards as usual
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03-05-2018, 08:44 AM #266Registered User
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So strange, I had last year's and the year's before and charged on them. Airs, inbounds, and never pre-released at A din of 11. Never broke anything and were completely reliable.
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03-05-2018, 09:03 AM #267Registered User
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That's what I keep saying. Beyond year 1 with the loosening toe pins, the Kingpin seemed like a pretty solid product. Suer there were issues but nothing like now. As far as i can tell around my neck of the woods, the recent wave of problems has to do with this years models. Post patent issues, it's like they rushed production or something, used shoddy materials or whatever the case may be. You can tell this years bindings by the lack of those little stoppers on the toe piece for stepping in and also apparently the logo looks different on this years.
For the record I have this years and I have had no problems with mine but a dude i was skiing with this weekend has replaced 3 toe pieces and 1 heel piece and he was saying that he could feel the other heel piece going. His were 2017/2018 Kinpins.
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03-05-2018, 09:08 AM #268
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03-05-2018, 09:11 AM #269Registered User
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What constitutes riser abuse? Not being obtuse or anything, I am just wondering.
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03-05-2018, 09:19 AM #270Registered User
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03-05-2018, 09:20 AM #271
Aggressive stomping on them?
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03-05-2018, 09:40 AM #272
No offense taken at all. I could break an anvil with a rubber hammer. That’s one of the reasons why I got these bindings. I’m also a really big dude.
I will say that this happened with my toe locked in. So there’s only so much force you can create like that. It wasn’t intentional if that’s what you meant... the risers are meant to be stepped on repeatably so I didn’t really expect this to happen.
Hopefully they help me out and I’ll tip toe around on the things from here on out.
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03-05-2018, 12:12 PM #273
I'll add that after 2 months of waiting, Marker finally ponied up by sending a replacement pair...with the wrong brake size. 75-100mm, That'll totally fit my BG's, right? RIGHT?? I give up.
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03-05-2018, 12:36 PM #274
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03-05-2018, 12:50 PM #275
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