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11-06-2017, 07:57 PM #101Registered User
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What's you favorite hard charger in the 100mm range? and why?
Just an FYI:
Aspen Skico’s swap this weekend had three pairs of 174 MX98’s for 70% off that didn’t sell .
All the stuff that didn’t sell, will end up at the outlet in Basalt.
Just in case some dentist’s ripping milf needs a good stick.Last edited by Shredhead; 11-07-2017 at 06:36 AM.
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11-06-2017, 07:58 PM #102
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11-06-2017, 08:20 PM #103Registered User
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What's you favorite hard charger in the 100mm range? and why?
Here ya go, not at all the numbers you keep throwing around. These are Gen2 ProTest in a stock layup for resort dampness/charging.
Curious if you're going to name and back up the claims of these "garage" builders who are building skis 1" thick? Oh yeah, that's right at 1/2".
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11-06-2017, 08:49 PM #104Registered User
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Well duh 2FUNKY, you've got Gen 2 Pro Super Pro Test Skis!
Hey, thanks for setting up that shot...
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11-06-2017, 09:05 PM #105Registered User
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Let's get this back on track. Another vote for the OG Cochise here (not based on much), but would really like to ski a 184 Wrenegade 98 to see how it would fit this spot in the quiver. Wren might not be quite as damp and forgiving in firm crud, but I'd imagine it does almost everything else better. Anyone have a direct comparison?
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11-06-2017, 09:07 PM #106Registered User
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11-06-2017, 09:23 PM #107Banned
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You guys are the best. Keep doing what you’re doing. You literally make the best quality skis in the industry, not to mention some of the best performing skis too. I have skied many different ski models from different brands over the past few years (50 plus) and always come home to my On3ps. They are always my favorites. Every model you make is versatile, and has an unmatched playful/charger ratio when compared to their direct competitors across different brands.
I ski 191 Wrens, and also have metal 191 Katanas and 191 Monster 108s. The wrens are pretty much as damp as the Katanas, and 85% as damp as the Monsters (which weigh a lot more though, 350g/ski, so less attributable to the metal I think). The bamboo fiberglass and carbon layup you guys do allows for almost all the dampening of metal, without the submarine problems in soft powder. Without the “boring” or “dead” feel a lot of metal skis have.
I am sure the 193 Supergoats I just got will have all the dampening of a 196 Bodacious.. Maybe even more.
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11-07-2017, 04:01 AM #108
I agree the OP does not want a charger.
I've never skied ONP3's & my quiver is likely not going to support a pair this year, yet damn the SG look sweet. They were also all over Hood when I was there. I can tell you they are 100% correct on the market. When I was importing from EU, 170 was the pretty standard request. Even my used 186+ skis can't get sold on this board for peanuts.
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11-07-2017, 06:40 AM #109Registered User
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If you look back a few of my posts you'll see that I admitted I was exaggerating with the 1" thick claim. Nonetheless, here is a current Volkl and it is nearly half the thickness of your Praxis.
Like I said, if buying American from a small independent manufacturer is important to you or something that makes you feel like you are skiing on a more unique special ski, then I say go for it (I mean, how badass is a name like Super Pro 2 Test?! I want some!) But to think that they are bringing something to market that the big players are unable to is simply hogwash.
I'll bow out now and let you guys get back to your circle-jerk.
Have a good, safe winter. Let it snow!
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11-07-2017, 07:38 AM #110
What's you favorite hard charger in the 100mm range? and why?
Bringing something to market that the big players are unable to make- who is making that argument here?
Bringing something to market that most ‘big players’ are not producing for the market- I don’t know how you’d argue with that. These niche companies have their niche.
I don’t own any praxis or on3ps. But good luck finding my 196 renegades at Salomon. But if they haven’t piqued your interest.... what are you on about?
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11-07-2017, 07:44 AM #111Banned
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11-07-2017, 07:54 AM #112Banned
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11-07-2017, 08:05 AM #113
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11-07-2017, 08:10 AM #114Banned
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What's you favorite hard charger in the 100mm range? and why?
The HEAD Monsters are on a different level than those other skis. The newer ones this year are supposedly “10%” friendlier though..
You can try my 184 monster 98s in Big Sky this season.
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11-07-2017, 08:28 AM #116Banned
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What's you favorite hard charger in the 100mm range? and why?
Yes I have. The 108s are 191s. I would say they are the probably the burliest skis made in the past few years.. also very rare
They make 191 Katanas seem “playful”.
However they turn radius doesnt feel as large, so you can carve a tight turn if you have to. I suck at carving, yet I still love them. I need to learn some racing techniques this season, now that I’m falling in love with traditional-style skis lately.
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11-07-2017, 08:42 AM #117
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11-07-2017, 08:48 AM #118
You're too fit for them.
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11-07-2017, 09:22 AM #119
Just measure the thickness of all the skis in my garage.
187 Praxis GPO, glass, veneer, flex 4: 12mm- 9 lbs/pair
185 Blizzard Zero G 108: 13mm- 7.75 lbs/pair
182 Praxis GPO UL, flex 3: 12mm- 8 lbs/pair
177 Fischer Hannibal 94: 12mm- 5.4 lbs/pair
177 Nordica Hell 'N Back: 12mm- 8.5 lbs/pair
Why does this matter? Should I be buying my skis based on how thick they are and how durable the manufacturer could have made them?
The notion that small manufacturers bring nothing to the table couldn't be more wrong.
Volant brought us the Spatula
PM Gear and DPS made the first carbon touring skis that could haul ass.
Praxis and Moment, among others offered a selection rockered shapes before many euro brands had even one.
Small brands like ON3P, Moment and Praxis continue to have better, more versatile shapes and more durable products when it comes to larger skis. They also offer more skis over 190 for folks who are big and good at skiing.
Some of the Euro brands have surpassed the indies when it comes to lightweight carbon layups. Volkl and Blizzard among other are making very light skis that are remarkably capable. But so does G3, which is not a "garage brand" but certainly lacks the resources of Volkl or the Amer Sports brands. When these larger, older ski companies throw their resources at a problem, sometimes they develop something great, but just as often they just as create something useless with a flashy name. Look at all the "revolutionary" technology that has come and gone. Where's my VAS? Where are my Beta Tubes? My piezoelectric dampeners?
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11-07-2017, 09:43 AM #120Registered User
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^hehe
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11-07-2017, 09:44 AM #121
Joe, I'm curious why you rule out the Rustler 10? Sounds like you demo'd and liked it. Wouldn't you get the 180 which is 102 underfoot?
I'm mostly curious because I took a gamble and bought a pair of 188's on a whim.
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11-07-2017, 09:55 AM #122
You put the word "hard" in the title, so mags assumed you were looking for something on the more stable and more demanding end of the charger spectrum. You should have said "stable but forgiving all mountain ski." You don't like demanding skis that reward strong input (like the MX98). If you take any exception to the forgiveness of frickin' Bonafide's, stay a mile away from the 184 monster 98's. Way too much ski for you. You already picked the enforcer 100 in your first post, so just get that (probably in 177cm). It's not the "hard charger" mentioned in the title of your post, but with the exception of not having a built in speedometer to tell you when you hit 35mph, it's probably exactly what you want.
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11-07-2017, 09:56 AM #123
An armada invictus 99ti is good suggestion for the OP.
Showing up to first chair in a bogner onepiece and a pair of ON3Ps with piezoelectric dampeners would be tits. All this nonsense and I started to think that I may prefer a 1 inch ski and may be why I like the way my ON3Ps i've had ski
Just measured
189 ON3P Billy Goats - 15 mm
188 Armada 99 ARVti - 14 mm
187 Blizzard Brahma - 14 mm
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11-07-2017, 09:59 AM #124
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11-07-2017, 10:13 AM #125
I just got rid of my Qlabs because I don't like how the mount point, sidecut, and rocker profile go together, I think if I had mounted them back about 4cm I would have like them a lot more. If I ski them again it will be a chopped tail 190 though, the 183 was too short.
I think the bodacious is runner up behind the kastle and stockli tbh, especially the 2018 bodacious, they extended the camber and just smoothed the tip out. I might get them over the enforcer, I need to get back on the 187 bodacious and 185 enforcer more back to back.
I think a rustler in the 188 would be great, but I already have 187 sego big horns, and 186 ON3P skinny billy, which are both way too close to the rustler. I want something more crud and ice oriented because my quiver is never big enough.
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