EAST COAST ROLL CALL - Turn it up to 11

[spanky]

The pics above were on Cascade Headwall and Ridge Run.

Paging Spanky. What happened to KZone?

Our hosting provider picked up "malware" in a text file in our gallery (I believe it was just a link to a malware site in comments for a photo album). I removed the offending files reported by scan output. I'm now waiting for the hosting provider to re-run the scan to make sure there are no other vulnerabilities. Once that is done, I've been promised the site will be back up.

[MrMan]

The Bush was cold and firm this morning. 1 trail got old quick but the season has begun!


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Nice! Might be a bit softer tomorrow

[JerseyDave]

Interesting conversation taking place regarding future management plan for Camel's Hump. I believe the first public forum was sometime last week.
http://digital.vpr.net/post/plan-cam...bears#stream/0

Burlington Free Press did a little different spin on the story in yesterday's print. Their version points some fingers at backcountry skiing community. I didn't post it because it requires a subscription (crooks).

VPR seems to put backcountry sports enthusiasts across the table from more traditional sportsmen and the forest products industry. Most interesting to me is that this is all state land.

I like that Camel's Hump lacks roads and weather stations and whatever and don't think it should be overly reshaped to fit human desires. On the other hand, if a main argument against cutting glades is to boost regeneration and future harvest plans for the forest products industry, well that stinks too.

They create a false conflict to validate the need for some bullshit non profit grant funnel. It's also about selling out a local experience for the promise of tourist dollars once they map and sign shit and male it easy to find. The impact of renegade cutting is nothing. Nothing as compared to commercial logging. Total red herring.

[Peruvian]

A solid 4" of natural snow on the top of So. VT's highest hill made for a few nice turns but the crusty man-made lower down ranged from breakable crust to slow glop. It's always an adventure coming over the top of a snow making whale and finding a sheer drop.

[Boreas]

They create a false conflict to validate the need for some bullshit non profit grant funnel. It's also about selling out a local experience for the promise of tourist dollars once they map and sign shit and make it easy to find. The impact of renegade cutting is nothing. Nothing as compared to commercial logging. Total red herring.

And your Forestry, Natural Science, or Ecology degree came from which institution?

[tBatt]

Potential for a good amount of snow up high from this front moving through tonight. Anything below 4k will probably have a couple really good days of whitewater boat riding.

[danmelon]

Crusty night laps at Mss

I’ll take it, and whatever this forecast brings north of the city

[robrox]

I've no forestry degree or cerification but have worked with a couple of arborists (three sunmers landcape crew and many years of 3-6 work days at MRG) and have skied Lyall in the Chic Chocs. There are few rare species in central VT and at all elevations on CH there are diverse populations, mostly in good condition. Birches have a longevity problem, but that problem is endemic.

If there are Old- Growth forest sections on CH those are something to be protected w/o exception, but I would be surprised if that area amounted to more than 50 acres.

I mention Lyall because that was a Skier/Logger collaboration with some monitoring over the subsequent years. My wintertime observations showed me a very healthy forest. I am interested in whether soils erosion caused by the cutting has evinced or not.

Trust issues regarding profiteering are quite valid so I won't run that down but I will point out that careful planning and srict monitoring could also result in a healthy forest with good recreational gains and some commercial benefit. I say "could". There is a history of roughshod trampling over ecological systems by commercial interests along with some myopia of federal/state agencies tasked with management. There is no guarantee that the results would be all rosy, or all rotten.... Best wishes for the locals being able to work this out.

[JerseyDave]

And your Forestry, Natural Science, or Ecology degree came from which institution?

Oooo. Academic elite in to validate it's self. I've toured around enough and read enough to know that the impacts of forestry on our landscape are more profound in orders of magnitude as compared to the impacts of the renegade cutting has been in Vermont. Any digression from that matter-of-fact reality is an attempt to distort reality and promote an agenda.

[Boreas]

Oooo. Academic elite in to validate it's self. I've toured around enough and read enough to know that the impacts of forestry on our landscape are more profound in orders of magnitude as compared to the impacts of the renegade cutting has been in Vermont. Any digression from that matter-of-fact reality is an attempt to distort reality and promote an agenda.

The mere fact that you have “ toured around enough” shows how great of a tourist you are. I’m fairly positive the 7-9 years of watching the wickets grow around Paine has informed the sciences of the world about succession, runoff, and soil retention. I’ll be chewing my nails waiting for the peer review.

[Greenstateofmind]

I will point out that careful planning and srict monitoring could also result in a healthy forest with good recreational gains and some commercial benefit.

I think this hits the nail on the head. Let everyone prosper from the state land. And to be fair, good forest management considers many aspects, particularly wildlife habitat for game species. Which, seems to be central here because hunting is a large part of our culture and it sounds like sportsmen are being well represented in the conversation. I'm also not condemning timber harvesting, especially since it is state land and ANR plays a large role in calling the forestry shots. Personally, I'd love to see management that curtails all logging operations, I'm thinking Pisgah National Forest in North Carolina as a possibility of what can be done when conservation trumps all.

If we are going to manage the property, and ANR will, it's only fair that the backcountry ski community is aware of this exciting opportunity and realizes that as of now, they may not be receiving equal representation concerning future plans. Who wouldn't want a tear drop, ccc type trail at Camel's Hump?

[Laps]

I think the hump is great as it is. Biggest parcel of undeveloped land in the NW of Vermont and it is one of the few places you can still get way out in the woods within 30 mins of Burlington. Bike and ski trails are great and logging is certainly something that can have benefits, just hope it doesn't get turned into another hotspot like the teardrop. But, only my .02

[Greenstateofmind]

the impacts of forestry on our landscape are more profound in orders of magnitude as compared to the impacts of the renegade cutting has been in Vermont.

I think there's truth here and this is where I'd be concerned that our community is getting an improper short end of the stick.

Dave, you also mentioned the tourism component. I just saw that backcountry equipment sales were up 200% last year. I'm not sure if it crossed anyone's mind that if tourism and retail promotes this experience, they should probably be able to accommodate the experience without tourists heading out every which way in search of pow.

[buttahflake]

Trees are way overrated. Cut them down, we have way more than we need up here. More glade skiing and more flow MTB, this should be our mandate.
The whole state should be connected by yurts and flow.
Let's fucking Party.
Eat a Dick, Davie-boi.

[Greenstateofmind]

The logging aspect of that article is a bit concerning, but not sure what the effects would be. Not sure how a forest "stagnates" without logging.

The argument goes that by thinning the forest you make room for the next generation to grow into healthy forest.

Anyways, I've already spouted way too much. Just thought some folks here would be interested to know this is taking place

[MrMan]

I think the hump is great as it is.

Agreed.

just hope it doesn't get turned into another hotspot like the teardrop.

Oh it will. Look at what RASTA did to Brandon gap. Fucking travesty.

Rule of "thumb". Trim sparingly, tread lightly, be discreet, and enjoy it for you and yours. Like it's been done for nearly a century.

[AyoBeng]

Looks like the rain is starting to change over on the Bush summit web cam. Unfortunately it'll probably be too little too late too make up for the damage done.

[MrMan]

Looks like the rain is starting to change over on the Bush summit web cam. Unfortunately it'll probably be too little too late too make up for the damage done.

November.

[MrMan]

Hawt rain to the top.

[buttahflake]

Snowing in Vermont, guy.

http://www.killington.com/site/mount...rmountain.html

[MrMan]

Nice!

[danmelon]

Feeling wintry north of island city

[BigDaddy]

4 sale: Two weekend passes for Killington World Cup Nov. 25-26, $150 plus shipping.

I am Boston based, but will be in VT this Tuesday/Wednesday. PM me if interested.

[From_the_NEK]

Looks like Rog got banned again. I hadn't seen any posts that were douchey enough to get him re-banned but maybe posting a photo of himself in the douchey Padded Room thread proved that MrMan was indeed Rog which led to his latest ousting from the forum.
Happy trails Rog, I'm sure you'll be back again in a month or so . Maybe as the alias FarNorthGangster

[nihiles]

Hi guys. Long time no talk but feels so good to experience temps below 75 finally!!!
I flew up this weekend for the NSP refresher and a buddy is taking me to Ktown on Wednesday to laugh at my baby deer legs. Down if anyone wants to make turns. His daughter will be accompanying us and I'm in nursing school so we won't be safe but will be liquid.

A couple years back before injuring my wrist and going back to school I grabbed these Full Tilts at REI garage sale. I paid $150 cause the left velcro strap is 'broken'. I hacked a fix together but it could be made better.
318 bsl I've only skied them a few times because I'm 308. You can see the toes stickers are still showing.
If you're in the Ktown area (or along NY thruway)
$50



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Happy for cold but always praying for snow.