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  1. #51
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    Using "ski" liberally, first time my kid was on skis was 1 year, 15 days? we were stuck in Nebraska in a storm that raged over Jackson (our destination). They were "lucky bums" strapped skis, and it was a parking lot. Technically, he couldn't walk yet. so it was really just dad holding him under the arms. But we had tons of snow in the parking lot and nothing better to do.
    I took him on a half dozen runs on Chickadee this way and he like it. No crying.
    Repeated one day at age 2 and 15ish days and we did a dozen laps before I got tired.
    This year I bought real boots and skis and an alta pass (25 bucks, why not?) I view it as a success i got him to wear the boots the other day in the house.
    I'm declaring it a victory if i get him down on his own this year.

    I am curious ISBD what magic tricks you performed to get yours to ski independently at age 2.5. Seems like a one in a million case.
    I demoed the TECH TALK JONG! pro model this spring and their performance was unparalleled which is good because I ski in a wedge most of the time - bendtheski, 2011

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    Seriously try the hula hoop method. Get a 10ft length of 3/4 Pex and one connector. Make huge hula hoop. Start w kiddo skiing inside the hoop, you hold onto the back. Also edgie wedgies.

    As they progress start letting them go, if they get outta control just drop the hoop over them.

    3-4 days and my kids were skiing down w no need to catch them.

    Worked on Technique with me skiing switch in front of them with the the hula hoop between us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RootSkier View Post
    Agree there is no hurry but there are some 6-7 year-olds out there crushing it...even at decidedly non-beginner friendly mountains (do you know any places like that?). I really think a big motivation for some people here, including me, is getting to the point where kids can ski reasonably fun terrain ASAP for the benefit of the parents more than anything. Whether this is a good idea, I don't know.
    Sure, a kid who starts at 4 and wasn't wobbling at 4, and who gets a ton of days because homeschooled or whatever, may be a "ripper" at age 7, relatively speaking. But again, is it a race? I've coached lax, seen parents push skills/plays/achievements that are beyond kids, etc. If a kid's gonna rip, he/she's gonna rip when enough days are under the skis. No matter what age is starting age.

    My real belief is, let the kids come to skiing -- not vice-versa, and not force-feed vice-versa for sure!

    At the same time: I had a 4 yr old who picked things up so fast I told his young mom, "this kid (I used his name) is exceptional and if he likes skiing and you can handle it, he should go into our freestyle or race program."

    I'd put odds of the average kid doing that around 0.1 % maybe. My sample size may be small, though.

    As to terrain fitness -- well Brobowl has a serious terrain gap for any learning skier, and any who is generally cautious or timid. Even 2d Thought has those pitches that I've seen put kids into paralysis. Upper Sunrise Bowl too.

    The truth is that a kid who spends time dialing in how to actually ski won't have as big a problem handling the terrain gap.

    The gap is made worse at the bowl because parents seemingly want to brag on what run the kid skied, rather than how much or how fast the kid's skiing is improving. It's definitely got worse in the past decade. Sadly, these kids would become better skiers faster if they dialed in their skiing on the easier runs first. "Over-terraining" takes learning skiers backward, not forward.

    The fact that a kid is gumby at age 4 when Johnny 3 doors down was making turns his first day, age 3, has no bearing on whether Age 4 Gumby will turn out a better or worse skier than Johnny 3 Doors Down.

    Quote Originally Posted by RootSkier View Post
    Anyways, did you feel it was generally a waste to have the 3-4 year-olds in lessons? We have one turning 4 in December and are planning to at least get him standing around on skis. He is a total gumby compared to his brother who is half his age and is already sending it without any semblance of fear in every context he can think of.
    It's apparent within 10-15 mins in a lesson whether the young ones are still gumby. The tiny acceleration of the skis on a flat slope has their head lagging back. Wheelies, etc. Direction changes won't happen, really. Sometimes they can't even stand up for more than a second or two.

    Same kids next season, no problem. Sometimes even later same season, I suppose.

    If you make the 1st experience miserable, scary, cold, whatever kind of un-fun -- I'd expect it could sour them for life.

    As a teacher of kids skiing, my problem was relating to the uncomfortable, bored, distracted ones. I loved skiing from the first moment on snow. Bad weather never bothered me. And I love learning so I have never been distracted in a lesson of any kind where athletics were involved. I guess I'm saying, sometimes it's apparent when the kids are there because someone else (not them) wants them doing it.

    Hula hoop is good, but kids can use them in ways that are regressive for learning -- pushing against it (and tensing the body to stabilize for skiing), or leaning into it are two ways I've seen. They are most productive when the child really barely holds on and the hoop resembles bike training wheels not really touching the ground. To get this light touch, don't make the terrain steep. Flat to a seasoned skier can be steep to a first-timer. If you want to get in touch with your inner first-timer, close your eyes and glide down-slope to measure if it's too steep.

    Remember too that the most common hand position for the kid up front in the hula hoop is that T Rex position, which they'll later have to un-learn as a habit.
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    One started at 2 and one at 1.5.

    But by started I mean they hiked around the living room with their skis on. Then we hiked around the yard with our skis on during the first snow of the year.

    Ever since they kind of got it - I shut up about how to do it. We are all about fun, could care less about technique etc. we just rip down the hill, scream our fool heads off, play games and goof off. The oldest is 8 and skiing with the club now and learning all the technique she needs. the youngest is 5 and will be with the club this year as well. I still won't talk to them about technique - let their coaches do that. We just ski cause it is fun.

    What I wish I learned earlier? - STOP BEFORE THEY WANT TO, NOT AFTER.

    If they have a melt down on the hill - you went too long. If they are telling you that they want to go back out - perfect. Candy helps postpone the melt down. But if you push them to far - they will snap and it takes a while to convince them skiing is fun after that.

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    My boy started spring when he was 2.5, learned how to shuffle around but mostly wanted to play in the snow.

    My younger one (girl) was 20 months when she started at Thanksgiving and took to it amazingly quick. She was completely enamored with sliding on snow and would throw tantrums when it was time to leave the hill. By the time March rolled around and she turned 2, she had 20-25 days on snow and we were through with racer chasers, wedgie guides, or skiing while holding onto my ski pole, and she could follow me making turns across the hill. Still kind of blows me away when I think about it, we went to Whistler that May after she turned 2 and she was able to follow me with control down The Saddle off of the Peak Chair.

    Skiing with really little kids is rewarding but hard work- it really takes 2 adults/1 kid when they are 3 and under because they really need someone to lead them and other adult to trail behind in case they blow up. Without the leader they just don't have the attention focus and tend to go straight until they fall or run into something. Timing wise-1-2 hours tops, lifesavers/skittles are great rewards, and stop whenever they decide they've had enough. I was fortunate to have both my parents who were instructors 25+ years close by and eager to ski with the grand kids... so that helps too. Best to pick 2 hour blocks when it's not busy, first thing in the am or late afternoon was best. Nights were a blast too.

    Mine are now 19 and 16 and still have the passion for it, 100+ days each year in their teens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    My younger one (girl) was 20 months when she started at Thanksgiving and took to it amazingly quick. She was completely enamored with sliding on snow and would throw tantrums when it was time to leave the hill. .
    The apple falls not far from the tree, eh?

    Everyone's different. Both mine started at 2+ and yeah, it was more like 20 minutes of farting around in the snow, a little wobbly skiing and then chocolate and nap time. By 4 they were skiing with us, but hung on tight.

    As the sagacious mofro says, when they're really little, there needs to be a clean up crew and a lead crew.

    My son was 5 when my daughter was 3 when we'd really ski around like that mostly groimer blues. I blew out my knee holding my 3 year old between my legs for all of Galloping Goose.

    One thing as a parent I look back on is how really little I influenced my kids, they totally have a vibe and way of things that was their own from day 1. But they're all different and just tune into wherever they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    One thing as a parent I look back on is how really little I influenced my kids, they totally have a vibe and way of things that was their own from day 1. But they're all different and just tune into wherever they are.
    Yep. I'm always heartened to hear this from people who don't have stepkids since I have a tendency to blame it on genetics. Randomness and genetics both at work though for sure ie if you have kids with your genes they are more likely to have some of your traits.

    On a related note I taught both my stepson (15) and my daughter (7) to ski. My stepson skis nothing like me. He is like an alien form but he rips the mountain his way just fine. Daughter skis exactly like me to the point that people comment on it, which I find pretty cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    The apple falls not far from the tree, eh?
    Truth- i learned to ski at Woodland Park in Seattle when I was 20 months, on skis that my dad made in his shop. Not that I remember, but 71/72 was supposedly a helluva season.
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Back in the day Squaw had a free rope tow for kids and a kids lift ticket--under 6 I think--was $5. Made it a lot easier to get them skiing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Back in the day Squaw had a free rope tow for kids and a kids lift ticket--under 6 I think--was $5. Made it a lot easier to get them skiing.
    My hill is $5 till they're 10. Passes are $45.

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    Chestnut 6 and under ski free. Sage is seven this year so we had to buy a pass but she skied free for 5 full seasons. Still skiing free out west on the kick ass mountain collective deal.

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    last season for free pass for the kid at timberline (6).. he made it up 6, 6, 6, 9 times in previous seasons so we're shooting for 20 this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skirotica View Post
    I am curious ISBD what magic tricks you performed to get yours to ski independently at age 2.5. Seems like a one in a million case.
    Huh? There was nothing even slightly independent about his skiing. I must have been unclear. Here is the process:

    -Carry kid to beginning of magic carpet.
    -Kid clomps onto magic carpet.
    -During the clomping I stop him from falling over with a couple subtle shoves he doesn't really notice.
    -During the ride up he get's pissed off if I touch him because, "I want to do it by myself!"
    -Just before the end of the magic carpet, I pick him up so he doesn't fall flat on his face. No complaint here.
    -He starts clomping over toward the gentlest bit of slope, but he's getting tired and his legs look about as stable as a newborn giraffe's, so I pick him up again and carry him over to our start zone.
    -It take a little while to get him to focus and get into a skiing stance, while I crouch facing him, my hands holding his ski tips to stop him sliding forward.
    -When he's finally ready, I let go of his ski tips and starting running backward (in a crouch while wearing touring boots, always within reach of the boy).
    -When one of his ski tips wanders too far to the left or right, I reach out and tap it back to center with my gloved hand.
    -He's usually laughing during this phase, while I'm huffing and puffing because running backward in a crouch in ski boots is hard.
    -But it's worth it, because at the end of the run when I pick him up to stop him careening into some poor first time skier, he says, "Again! Again!"
    -And then we do it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    Huh? There was nothing even slightly independent about his skiing. I must have been unclear. Here is the process:

    -Carry kid to beginning of magic carpet.
    -Kid clomps onto magic carpet.
    -During the clomping I stop him from falling over with a couple subtle shoves he doesn't really notice.
    -During the ride up he get's pissed off if I touch him because, "I want to do it by myself!"
    -Just before the end of the magic carpet, I pick him up so he doesn't fall flat on his face. No complaint here.
    -He starts clomping over toward the gentlest bit of slope, but he's getting tired and his legs look about as stable as a newborn giraffe's, so I pick him up again and carry him over to our start zone.
    -It take a little while to get him to focus and get into a skiing stance, while I crouch facing him, my hands holding his ski tips to stop him sliding forward.
    -When he's finally ready, I let go of his ski tips and starting running backward (in a crouch while wearing touring boots, always within reach of the boy).
    -When one of his ski tips wanders too far to the left or right, I reach out and tap it back to center with my gloved hand.
    -He's usually laughing during this phase, while I'm huffing and puffing because running backward in a crouch in ski boots is hard.
    -But it's worth it, because at the end of the run when I pick him up to stop him careening into some poor first time skier, he says, "Again! Again!"
    -And then we do it again.
    That's not far from my expectations. By independent, I meant he moves without parent's hands under armpits. That's where I am nervous. But I haven't tried it with real boots yet. I'll report back in a month or two.

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    I see. Deep squat, hands of knees. He gets so low there is nothing to tip over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    Huh? There was nothing even slightly independent about his skiing. I must have been unclear. Here is the process:

    -Carry kid to beginning of magic carpet.
    -Kid clomps onto magic carpet.
    -During the clomping I stop him from falling over with a couple subtle shoves he doesn't really notice.
    -During the ride up he get's pissed off if I touch him because, "I want to do it by myself!"
    -Just before the end of the magic carpet, I pick him up so he doesn't fall flat on his face. No complaint here.
    -He starts clomping over toward the gentlest bit of slope, but he's getting tired and his legs look about as stable as a newborn giraffe's, so I pick him up again and carry him over to our start zone.
    -It take a little while to get him to focus and get into a skiing stance, while I crouch facing him, my hands holding his ski tips to stop him sliding forward.
    -When he's finally ready, I let go of his ski tips and starting running backward (in a crouch while wearing touring boots, always within reach of the boy).
    -When one of his ski tips wanders too far to the left or right, I reach out and tap it back to center with my gloved hand.
    -He's usually laughing during this phase, while I'm huffing and puffing because running backward in a crouch in ski boots is hard.
    -But it's worth it, because at the end of the run when I pick him up to stop him careening into some poor first time skier, he says, "Again! Again!"
    -And then we do it again.
    My kid worked 2 ski jobs--teaching 4-5 year olds at Sugar Bowl and pro patrol at Squaw. He says teaching was by far the physically demanding--picking the kids up sideways was hard on his back.

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    Both my kids started at 2.5. Skiing is part or our family activities. We ski a lot, the kids love it, we have a wonderful community of skiers. One of the posters says wait till they're 6-7, why? just keep it fun and don't ever push it!

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    My kid skied independently at 2. I’m with Lloyd Braun - get those little turds out on the snow in diapers. They can do it and so can you. Don’t hold them back just cuz yer scared.

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    Mikey B, how tall is your kiddo there at 10? I want to get my boy some ski's for touring. He's 9 and he's always asking me about it.
    Nice pics.
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    Owen is a little guy - 4’8” tall and 67#. The tough part for touring is getting boots and bindings that are small enough and light enough. He’s on too heavy of a rig (race boots and Marker) but he can handle it. Now that he’s in a 23.5 boot I think we can get him into a tech rig. He’s been shuffling around on skins since he was 5.

    Search for my “little ripper” thread.

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    My wife and I will be suiting up our 20 month old this January for the first time. Any advice on first time out? Between the legs? Anyone here use a bungee leash or anything like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cant share a double View Post
    My wife and I will be suiting up our 20 month old this January for the first time. Any advice on first time out? Between the legs? Anyone here use a bungee leash or anything like that?
    Most folks who replied to my question said, "don't tie anything to the kid" others said "hula hoop method" 6 to 1 half dozen... My buddy started skiing about that age between his dads legs, granted his dad was a tall lunk like my self.
    Last edited by Neil Fiedler; 11-10-2017 at 11:29 AM. Reason: not enough coffee...

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    I used a harness once they could kind of ski on their own. Used mostly just as speed control when things got steeper. Many have told me that was a terrible idea. Fuck’em - it worked and we had fun and my back was happy.

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