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10-30-2017, 08:44 PM #51
Past tense?
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10-30-2017, 08:45 PM #52Registered User
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Another one to consider would be the Arcteryx Argus as long as you have a shell to throw over it for colder days or higher speed descents. The really nice thing about it is that 80% of the insulation is up front and on top of the shoulders and it vents heat out the back when you are working.
I wear mine more for running, down to -15C as an outer layer and colder than that as a mid layer. It’s great if you are one of those people who is prone to overheat/sweat and then freeze once wet. Blocks some of that wind from the front but still lets you keep a balance.
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10-30-2017, 10:29 PM #53
A quick search on Stephenson's Warmlite Catalog turned up this blast from the past (NSFW) pic in...TRG, of course:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...072#post965072
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10-30-2017, 10:35 PM #54
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10-31-2017, 07:34 AM #55
a Patagonia capilene one, a Dynafit something-or-other, am Under Armor 1/4 zip, a few one-offs from various races (one is Saucony)
they all seem to work about the same. odor control is bad though, they stink after sweating in them. single use only for sure. that’s part of why I want to go merino, but it’s just never dry enough for me.
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10-31-2017, 09:16 AM #56
Yes to single use. I've got a deal on some merino that I think will allow me to try to go without the synthetic base and midlayers for a season. We'll see if the dryness is an issue. Other problem with merino of course is durability. Ortovox has some cool looking blends, but haven't heard any reports. I think I can live with the dry problem, but the merino has to be able to withstand at least carrying a pack.
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10-31-2017, 09:22 AM #57
I often use a lightweight thin merino base layer top for lift-served skiing, but it would get soaking wet with sweat if I used it on a mid-winter ski tour at any temperature. My wife sweats very little and can get away with wearing a merino base layer top, but she prefers to use my N2S semi-VB method.
A merino or synthetic base layer does sometimes find its way into my ski touring pack: Sometimes I strip down before the final run of the day and wear a base layer on the exit.
Spring/summer touring is different.
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10-31-2017, 09:38 AM #58
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10-31-2017, 09:48 AM #59Registered User
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You want merino cuz it doesnt stink but merino is expensive compared to plastic and it doesnt wear well atall
SO the cheapest way to buy Merino is a simple cap sleeve round neck lightweight merino T-shirt and if yer skin is sensitive it won't be as bothered by the lightest stuff
every layer after that can be plastic, wool or plastic there isnt really much insulating value from those base piecesLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-31-2017, 11:09 AM #60
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10-31-2017, 11:16 AM #61Registered User
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well 1st of all you wana manage your heat by not wearing insulation on the skin track ... If I do it right I don't sweat in the BC in BC
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-31-2017, 11:46 AM #62Registered User
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Get a breathable mid layer, it's a game changer! Save the wind "protection" for shells.
The new TNF Ventrix is the TITS and has quickly become my favorite insulating layer above fleece level of warmth. I even sold my ultralight RAB xenon. Never really feel I need extra wind protection unless it's the kinda wind were you almost want to wear goggles the entire time.
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10-31-2017, 01:45 PM #63
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10-31-2017, 01:51 PM #64
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11-06-2017, 03:29 PM #65Registered User
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Honestly didn't read the entire thread.
I run really hot, and sweat super easily once I get moving so having breathable stuff for me is imperative. So my go to for going uphill is thin base layer (almost zero insulation value), then the Ventrix over that. If it is windy/ cold enough for the wind to blow out the heat that I'm putting out then usually a softshell will go over that. Even a non bonded softshell (schoeller 400) for me doesn't breath as well as the Ventrix.
I don't even use any sort of synthetic/ down insulation for lift skiing most times. Usually it's thicker base layer, a 100-150 weight fleece, then a 2L Gore Shell. For the real cold days the mid fleece will get switched out for insulation.
The RAB even though it was really warm and light as hell would trap body moisture almost better than Goretex. So it'd have to be REALLY cold for me to want to use it while Touring (which was almost never). Climbing/ Lifts was kinda a different thing, but not enough for me to want to keep it. Maybe if I'd bought it in a big enough size to be worn as my change over/ belay layer then it'd be worth keeping.
Also on a day to day basis, if it's colder than just a 100 weight fleece day I use the Ventrix as my go to jacket.TLDR; Ski faster. Quit breathing. Don't crash.
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11-15-2017, 01:30 PM #66
In keeping with your original question (OP), I became aware of another OR product (apart from the Cathode) - the Ascendant Hoody:
https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/e.../2500990561007
The Ascendant is supposed to be a bit more breathable than the Uberlayer, which may not be what you're after.
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11-15-2017, 03:07 PM #67
Yeah I saw that, sounds just like slightly more wind-resistant high-tech fleece.
I ended up keeping the Xenon-X for everyday wear plus as an outer layer while taking breaks, plus I picked up a OR Whirlwind Hoody.
I have a Marmot M3 softshell which is on the heavier side and then the Whirlwind for warmer days, plus an R1-style fleece. I think it'll be a good quiver of jackets, but I'll report back (if I remember to) about how it all works out.
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01-15-2020, 11:51 AM #68Registered User
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There was some good info here so I thought I'd just revive the thread. I'm looking for a lightweight synthetic or down for primarily an outer layer for the down. Ideally 80-130g synthetic insulation with a higher denier/more abrasion resistant fabric. Current layer system is as follows:
Capilene lightweight
Nano Air Hybrid vest
Ferrosi or Gamma LT Hoody
Atom LT Hoody
Looking for something a little warmer/weather resistant than the Atom LT and maybe a little longer in the torso. Ideally with internal drop-in pockets for skins/gloves. I have the Rab Xenon, NW Alpine Belay Jacket, Atom AR and OR Refuge Hooded Jacket on the radar. Any folks have experiences with any of these? Anything else that I should be looking at? Please no Patagucci recommendations, the Micro/Micro/Nano all seem too fragile for an outer layer, skiing through trees, etc.
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01-15-2020, 12:21 PM #69Registered User
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what do you expect to do with it and where ?
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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01-15-2020, 02:09 PM #71Registered User
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https://www.wildsnow.com/27419/perfe...ouring-layers/
here is another ^^ things that people wear thread
I'm a proponent of the " puffy over " method talked about in the artical, so no mid layer just a thinner soft shell ( R1 ) and a puffy when I stopLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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01-15-2020, 02:40 PM #72
I've been trying to go really slow on the up, nose breathing, and an R1 type of baselayer and a light shell with pitzips open has been working well. Puffy over at the top for the descent or, if friends are slow transitioning, and we're only doing one lap, I may take the time to get the insulation layer underneath the shell. Especially if there will be tight trees.
Slow and steady has been a game changer for me.
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01-15-2020, 03:19 PM #73Registered User
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Thanks, ya I have my layering system pretty dialed - pretty similar to what was described in the wildsnow article. Just looking for recommendations on the "puffy over" layer as described or one of the models I listed in my post as my Atom LT got a little shredded by some trees and I'd like to dial up with warmth/weather protection just a tad from the Atom LT.
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01-15-2020, 03:39 PM #74Registered User
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i usually wait till later in the season and buy whatever puffy I can buy locally at 40-50 % off,
right now its -32 C ( -25F ) so one puffy isnt going to cover it all, right now I use a big fucking RAB Neutrino which is awesume and a lighter Faction above -10C,
ten acious tape for fixing big holes in puffies for small one try liquid bandage or nailpolish
the cool thing about the Rab is its warm enough for anything
the cool thing about Faction is the huge inner pockets the size of the front of the jacket which every jacket should have, i pointed out to the store owner " bro these coats are great for shop lifting "Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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01-16-2020, 04:47 AM #75
If the Micro and Nano stuff is too fragile, the Xenon will be too. It's essentially the same. Sounds like you need a hardshell puffy for durability reasons. Most of the non-hardshell ones are designed with low denier fabric for weight purposes and will shred. You'll probably land in the 16-20oz weight range.
The Mountain Equipment Prophet is one suggestion.
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