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04-12-2018, 03:12 PM #201Registered User
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My experience is that pure fluor works in any conditions. Not low fluor or even high fluor wax, but eg Swix Cera F 100% fluor carbon powder. But who in their right mind uses that on their skis if they are not racing?
I even hate waxing/scraping and is the perfect candidate for using Phantom anyway.
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04-13-2018, 11:57 AM #202
The crayon-on wax on method above will help. Metal scraper [heavy-gage is better], judiciously applied, is easier than plastic. I use metal about 75% of the time. [Without a "hook" and with being careful, it's not going to take off any substantial ptex material.]
Does the height of the ski make a difference. You might try higher/lower and see.
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04-13-2018, 12:04 PM #203
Thank you. I have noticed you can use metal, be careful, and not visually affect base structure. But I was still afraid. I usually use metal on tip/tails.
I actually scrape with the skis resting vertically against my workbench. I might not get the same leverage, but I avoid twisting my back.
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04-13-2018, 12:20 PM #204
I should have said this in my initial post too:
A very thick and sharp plastic scraper is also pretty good.
Thick acrylic scrapers are cheap down at the Ace hardware [at least here] perhaps $2-3. Ask them to cut something 2"x8" or so. [The one I visited had a piece of scrap about 8" wide, but you can always take a wider piece and just initially cut 2" off, and then in 6-10" widths. Give one or two away.]
And as the edge wanes, use a sheet of sandpaper on a flat surface or a file to re-sharpen the edge. [Just put a good "flat" on the edge that goes against the ski base.] A sharp edge works a lot better then even a slightly dull one.
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05-23-2018, 04:53 PM #205
Okay... Here is a wild idea. One of my business colleagues sent me this from a show yesterday. DPS has been there multiple years because I get a picture each year. :-)
Today, I read the article below. The "low-maintenance ski systems" caught my eye. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that DPS engineered Phantom Glide as a way to reduce maintenance and upkeep of their skis (or any skis for that matter) to deferentiate themselves and make them more appealing to the military. As a bonus, they can sell this to the general population also.
Seth
https://www.military.com/defensetech...ski-boots.html
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05-23-2018, 06:06 PM #206Registered User
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da fuq. I would figure they'd be too small to play in the defense space. But with that in mind I'd bet they are going after nordic countries or very specialized units.
TLDR; Ski faster. Quit breathing. Don't crash.
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05-23-2018, 07:40 PM #207
Are we anywhere close to consensus on phantom? Anyone being a ginny pig and buying this summer?
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05-24-2018, 05:26 AM #208
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05-24-2018, 10:02 AM #209Registered User
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my buddy the DPS dealer was going to do a set of skis for a local guide to see how it worked in that app, with changing conditions/skin glue yada yada
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05-24-2018, 11:10 PM #210
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05-25-2018, 10:33 AM #211Registered User
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07-23-2018, 11:42 PM #212
I am about to try this on some new skis and saw on there website Phantom 2.0. Perhaps it is just marketing or have they tweaked the formula ? Any insights ? I can obviously wait a few months.
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07-24-2018, 12:51 AM #213one-track mind
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If you listen to the recent Blister podcast at http://blistergearreview.com/feature...-stephan-drake , then I recall they said they improved the product so that the application process will be easier and more successful, especially for people who live where often weeks go by without any direct sunlight/warmth or whatever weather conditions the instructions asked for, etc. I think they said the improved product also got a tiny bit faster glide, but that was not their main reason to improve it (i.e. the 1st version was fast enough glide).
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07-24-2018, 02:20 AM #214Registered User
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There is / was a Instagram Story and they seem to present some kind of device for shops to cure it. I guess in the future there will be (at least for most costumers) a treatment from a shop instead of a DIY approach. I think the mentioned it on the podcast, too.
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07-24-2018, 04:43 AM #215
take a look at ski.com.au starting here https://www.ski.com.au/xf/threads/dp...2#post-3493477
seems like stores should already have a UV box to cure ski super fast
We are working on a UV box for the process. It is in testing now but not quite there yet.
Apparently there are quite a few variables to dial in the correct measure for a UV box to complete the process.
In fact after hearing some of the issues or hurdles to get it right I shudder at the thought that people willingly laid under on of those things to get the tan right.Ha ha, Guess what turned up in my inbox this morning.
The new DPS UV lightbox for Phantom.
It was just released at the trade shows. I thought they were still testing it. Cagey buggers didn't let on.There is a cure box we've built which the shops will have. They can cure the skis in approx 20 minutes now.
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07-24-2018, 06:59 AM #216Registered User
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07-24-2018, 08:56 AM #217
Not sold on the idea. I'm always down for an excuse to crack open a couple cold ones, and it turns out that waxing skis is a perfect excuse.
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07-24-2018, 10:06 AM #218Registered User
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07-24-2018, 10:24 AM #219
I'm gonna agree w/ NCN. Relatively small sample, but I witnessed a friend w/ phantom on making turns on sun baked flats back to the lift while the other 4 of us were leaning back and pointing it! And that muthafuker was pulling away from us. Granted, the dude runs a ski shoppe, and his shit always tuned, but it made me a believer
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07-24-2018, 02:21 PM #220Registered User
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07-24-2018, 07:08 PM #221
All that being considered, I know what I saw, and it looked pretty good to me
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07-25-2018, 10:41 AM #222
I want it to work. Sounds amazing to me.
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07-25-2018, 09:21 PM #223Registered User
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Sounds interesting as well. I have a new set of powder skis in the garage that I might give this a try. Never having to wax them again sounds very nice. What is the best way to prep a new set of skis to remove the factory wax?
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07-25-2018, 11:30 PM #224
when trying to research how much of a scam this was (ive decided its probably mostly legit) i saw a youtube review where they suggested you dont need to do anything special for new skis, i guess factory wax is so thin that it doesn't count. said stone grinding for old skis.
went looking for it again today, and it turns out the dps site has their own recommendations. including olive oil ... wtf?
What is the best way to prepare bases for Phantom?
Base cleaning prior to Phantom application is a 'best, 'better' and 'good' scenario. The 'best' path is to get your skis or snowboard stone ground at a shop to first remove all wax and dirt from the base before application; this allows maximum Phantom penetration. 'Better; is using a ski industry wax cleaner (we have found that these work, but don't remove 100% of wax in its entirety), or instead using an alternative natural cleaner like olive oil, or hot water/dish soap before applying Phantom. 'Good' is applying Phantom over a waxed ski or board; we have tested this scenario, and we were pleased to find that Phantom still penetrates through wax into the depth of the base; and permanent on-snow performance is still good.
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07-26-2018, 11:33 AM #225Registered User
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Standing by for ghetto Phantom glide then YesWax.
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