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Thread: DPS Phantom Glide
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11-01-2017, 10:56 AM #26
I spend maybe $15/year on wax, about 500g of Toko universal covers the quiver.
Apply wax at the end of the season for storage, scrape in the fall, and re-apply when things start to feel sticky.
2.5kg, incl shipping, for the price of one shot of PHANTOM.
And I get to hang around the garage fondling skis, listening to tunes and drinking beer.
I'm also skeptical of the watershed effects of hydrocarbon wax. I used to know some people at the SLC Water Quality office. I don't remember them ever mentioning that ski wax was a contributer to watershed pollution. They were much more concerned with solid waste, soot and fuel from transit/automobile traffic in the canyon. I suspect the environmental angle is pure marketing.
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11-01-2017, 11:00 AM #27
Exactly what information can you distill from that graph? Is the time scale in minutes/hours/days/years/runs/seasons? Where are the adjustments for frequency of base grinds? It's just an illustration to support their copy.
DPS is nothing if not consistent in their color palette.
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11-01-2017, 11:12 AM #28
DPS Phantom Glide
Looks like the colder the snow, the worse it performs in comparison to wax. I like how their cold snow graph compares it to universal wax? What about those sub-zero days when the last thing you want on your bases is a universal wax.
Requires a periodic base grind? and slower than wax? No thanks.
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11-01-2017, 11:27 AM #29
Really, as someone who used to wax his skis ad nauseum, then just stops, this is a great product. If you are someone that waxes all the time, and enjoys your time in the garage/wax room, well....
That said, I used to wax all the time because after 3-5 runs, I felt the difference and knew I wasn't really skiing on wax after a few runs.... Now I have kids and don't have the same bench space.
So, it's a pretty broad niche IMHO.. but if it's not your cup o' tea....www.dpsskis.com
www.point6.com
formerly an ambassador for a few others, but the ski industry is... interesting.
Fukt: a very small amount of snow.
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11-01-2017, 11:27 AM #30www.dpsskis.com
www.point6.com
formerly an ambassador for a few others, but the ski industry is... interesting.
Fukt: a very small amount of snow.
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11-01-2017, 11:42 AM #31
I got an email back re: the base grind question already and Phantom should last beyond a base grind.
www.dpsskis.com
www.point6.com
formerly an ambassador for a few others, but the ski industry is... interesting.
Fukt: a very small amount of snow.
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11-01-2017, 11:53 AM #32
I wonder if this is like the ceramic coating that the vehicle detail industry has been using?
You apply this coating instead of a carnauba wax and it lasts for many years....maybe 5-10 depending on sun, etc.
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11-01-2017, 12:02 PM #33
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11-01-2017, 12:04 PM #34
Yes, they claim that it hardens the whole thickness of the base material... or at least to a depth that would tolerate a few grinds.
It's not a surface finish, but an alteration to the base.
If the base gets hairy and slow with time, I suppose you could still wax over it with some regularity to avoid the base grind... but then what's the point? Longer intervals between wax jobs, maybe? Would the wax bond as well as to an untreated base?Last edited by Norseman; 11-01-2017 at 12:31 PM.
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11-01-2017, 12:14 PM #35
The way I read it was that the treatment penetrated the base such that an occasional base grind to either re-flatten the ski, remove abrasion ie base hairs, or a grind after base repairs would not require an additional treatment. Doubt there are that many out there that re-grind skis for spring anymore, but that'd also be a possibility. If you don't base grind skis ever, then waxing is probably less important in terms of getting good glide.
Move upside and let the man go through...
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11-01-2017, 12:16 PM #36#1 goal this year......stay alive +
DOWN SKIS
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11-01-2017, 12:20 PM #37
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11-01-2017, 12:21 PM #38
If the charts are true, why aren't the nordic guys who are most picky about waxing using this stuff in warm temps if it performs better than normal wax?
Do skins stick to it? HF and LF wax don't.
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11-01-2017, 12:25 PM #39Registered User
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11-01-2017, 12:28 PM #40
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11-01-2017, 12:34 PM #43Registered User
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Why would you risk your own money to fund an initial production run when you can risk someone else's instead?
I listened to the Blister podcast. I'm skeptical about it generally as a replacement for wax, but they did highlight fewer issues with skins as a selling point. They said it sticks to the surface of the ski, and you don't have to worry wax globbing up your skin glue.
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11-01-2017, 12:37 PM #44
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11-01-2017, 12:39 PM #45Registered User
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So is this basically deep penetrating Zardox Not Wax?
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11-01-2017, 01:01 PM #46
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11-01-2017, 01:05 PM #47Registered User
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11-01-2017, 01:13 PM #48
Where's the MSDS? oh wait, that would expose the collusion between Zardoz, 3M, Dupont and Rustoleum.
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11-01-2017, 01:21 PM #49www.dpsskis.com
www.point6.com
formerly an ambassador for a few others, but the ski industry is... interesting.
Fukt: a very small amount of snow.
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11-01-2017, 01:56 PM #50
Since they're supposed to ship a month from today, I doubt that they "need" to raise anything for it. It's good promotion.
Although if they'd failed to make that target (they already have), it would be great way for them to find out that the market isn't there.
Ummm... there's a lot of competition there.
The Volkl V-Werks series should be in the mix too.not counting days 2016-17
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