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11-11-2017, 11:15 PM #176
Of course, you're right. I look at the Vipec as good engineering with unintended consequences raising it's ugly head (people adjusting and not using loc-tite - I've seen black diamonds comment, below).
I never intended to equate the Vipec with my understanding of the Salomon boot's
design flaws.
The Kingpin failure mode was surprising when you consider how long their fabricator (DMM) has been pressing pins into carabiners. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall during the discussions between DMM and Marker.
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11-11-2017, 11:25 PM #177Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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11-11-2017, 11:55 PM #178
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11-12-2017, 12:03 AM #179Registered User
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11-12-2017, 01:30 AM #180
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11-12-2017, 08:14 AM #181"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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11-12-2017, 09:19 AM #182Registered User
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11-12-2017, 09:38 AM #183
Count me in for Vulcan hoarding. Group buy before they die? XXX'er?
I like the new color. Waited for it before I pulled the trigger.Master of mediocrity.
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11-12-2017, 06:07 PM #184Registered User
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I'm pretty sure someone had to sell you on them
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11-12-2017, 10:42 PM #185
alright, catching up here...and trying to understand the general negativity. Do I have the following correct?
The Hoji boot is ho hum cuz...
1. No toe welt = problem with crampons and kicking steep/icy steps
2. Last is too wide (103.5?)
3. Not "freeride" stiff
4. Fear that liners are garbage
5. Won't work with Kingpin or Tecton
My questions/response:
1. Can't you just get the TLT7 adapter for your existing crampons? Anyone have real experience having a harder time kicking steps with the TLT7 nose?
2. I got a fat foot, yeah for me.
3. I guess this isn't the holy grail unicorn some thought it would be
4. In the blister interview Hoji said its the liner he's been using for a couple seasons..think the quote was something like "it's not quite an intuition but works well enough"
5. Is no kingpin or tecton confirmed?
Last thing...after reading Lee's biglines article and Wildsnow...still don't fully understand the "pre-load." Help?
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11-13-2017, 11:55 AM #186Registered User
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I think ultimately, I'm disappointed simply because I had pretty high hopes given the Vulcan and Hoji's previous track record modding/designing boots. Given the marketing babble, including Hoji's interviews/instagram surrounding the Hoji's release, the emphasis is mainly on the new walk mode and that is almost singularly focused on the ease of use and #pantsdownalways nonsense rather than an emphasis on a more progressive, alpine-like flex achieved by the new walk mode. I love the Vulcan, and I was really excited for an update half a decade later. My hopes (in order) were: more-progressive flex, lighter, and stiffer. I couldn't care less about an extra minute of transition time or needing to lift up my pant cuff.
High expectations aside, the only thing that's really a deal-breaker for me (on paper) is the speed nose. Still, it seems like a large percentage (75%, maybe) of NA backcountry skiers will be well-served by the new Hoji. Super-easy transitions, comfy fit for fat feet without boot work (if you have narrow feet, I guess you're out of luck?), and reasonably stiff. Like an easier-to-use Maestrale. Lack of toe welt probably won't bother too many people -- I mean, how many people in NA really use foot 'pons regularly and couldn't do just fine with a semi-auto binding? It would be interesting to see the sales numbers of the TLT6 vs the TLT7 in Europe and NA.
That said, I'm not really sure why you'd pick the Hoji over the Maestrale RS at about the same weight (except for fit reasons). People seem to be raving about Scarpa's new carbon-infused plastic (lighter and stiffer), and it seems like we haven't seen Dynafit make any advances in their materials in the past five years.Last edited by auvgeek; 11-13-2017 at 07:45 PM.
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11-13-2017, 12:11 PM #187
^^^ You nailed it - unfulfilled expectations from the perspective of Vulcan crowd ^^^
... expectations of a more alpine-like Vulcan (flex), lighter, stiffer and no toe welt.
I'll bet that privately, Hoji lobbied for this with his original submissions but that they were shot down for various reasons by the Dynafit higher ups.
Perhaps (as stated by you and others) Dynafit has their fingers on the pulse of the Euro market.
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11-13-2017, 12:26 PM #188Registered User
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I think the naming alone is one of the largest failures here. I'd assume most people see the name "Hoji" with the boot and the expectation is hard charging, wunder tour boot (ala vulcan).
What this boot actually is, is a competitor to the Scarpa Maestrale. A majority of back country skiers skiing the majority of their objectives with one boot. Not super burly and not super light. And really that was a hole that Dynafit had in their line. The TLT7 was more on the lighter side of that (especially in the US market), and the Vulcan/Khion is on the aggressive side of that. Should have saved the Hoji name for an actual Vulcan replacement and called this one the "Vertical Boot"
Yup in the Blister podcast he definitely calls attention to the fact that he's just a consultant and Dynafit and the designers there have a lot more pull after his input. Also the Vulcan is a pretty low volume product next to their lighter offerings in the EU market (which is so much bigger than the US market), and I'd imagine even the US market.
I bet Dynafit didn't expect the new Maestrale to be such a "large" little leap in performance with the update...
As for the crampons, just use semi auto crampons. Good enough for Steve House to climb mixed with his double boots (he apparently swears by them for some stuff)
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11-13-2017, 05:34 PM #189Registered User
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11-13-2017, 05:58 PM #190
So, we're talking about something like this http://www.camp-usa.com/products/cra...emi-automatic/, or this? I totally missed that ;-)
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11-13-2017, 06:05 PM #191Registered User
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Yeah Grivel loves their different name.
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Yeah...that was the point of my post. But I also don't really understand why people want a boot that if it's not considerably cheaper -- just like I don't really understand why anyone would buy a Maestrale instead of an F1 -- they flex about the same but one is substantially lighter. Fit aside, why buy something heavier if it's not going to ski correspondingly better?
I definitely agree with the rest of your post.
Well yeah, I thought that much was obvious. I meant "disregarding fit and considering only the technical merits ..."Last edited by auvgeek; 11-13-2017 at 06:32 PM.
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11-13-2017, 06:07 PM #193
Or just use full strap crampons.
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11-13-2017, 09:17 PM #196Common sense. So rare today in America it's almost like having a superpower.
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11-15-2017, 09:00 AM #197
I was personally waiting for this boot to be a lighter, more touring refined version of the Lupo Carbon. Seems like that's not the case. This might be a decent touring boot, but the lupo tours pretty well, is fairly light, and rips with that sweet sweet krypton flex. But it could easily be more touring refined.
Where is the ski-mo freeride boot? Everything super rigid and light, only allow a bit of extra weight for some flex modulator on the lean lock for the sweetest flex and rebound imaginable. Compression spring, piston? PG had that urethane flex bushing on some of their original boots. Someone's gotta be playing with that concept. My dad keeps raving about how Ramer was onto that in the 90s.
Dynafit seems to be out of the charger game, their choice. Lot's of great products out there now anyway.
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11-15-2017, 10:48 AM #199
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11-15-2017, 11:04 AM #200
Don't think so. I guy/girl still had to pull the cuff up to access the one cuff buckle/powerstrap, regardless of tongue swap.
Having said that, the eezee fix was just cut a few holes in yer pants and have the buckle sticking out and snap it open and closed. Done. Worked for me and buddies for 5 years.Master of mediocrity.
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