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11-10-2017, 01:21 AM #151
But what would Lou have written about then?
Life is not lift served.
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11-10-2017, 08:23 AM #152Registered User
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So true. I have access to Dynafit pro-deals, yet I’m scrounging for deals on the Amer products I really want. Allowing eccentric tinkerers to come up with innovative products will occasionally produce truly revolutionary products, such as the original tech binding, but a much more consistent strategy is to have a team of smart people methodically coming up with what people actually want. I don’t need to know who’s doing product development at Salomon/Arcteryx/Atomic, because their track record speaks for itself. From all the bad ideas that have made it to market, I assume Dynafit must have management structure that stifles criticism.
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11-10-2017, 08:38 AM #153
fyi, look for a pair of vulcans on sale (found a pair on snowinn for reasonable end of season deal) and run them without flex stops or tongue and you basically have a mercury+. Much better lateral stability but forward flex is fairly similar for stiffness but better in progression, imho. End of your worries.
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11-10-2017, 08:48 AM #154
i like hoji
and dyna stuffs
my titans served me great are toast
and the hawx 130 xtd is the boot im puttin my $$ on and feet in
reguardless of what dynadickgobbler lou and the clickbait stash dipshit here says"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
"I find I have already had my reward, in the doing of the thing" - Buzz Holmstrom
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11-10-2017, 09:38 AM #155
I know some of these people, and can vouch for their willingness to seek input and criticism from outside their companies. We have often seen prototypes two or more years in advance of their retail launch and the product managers and upper echelon management seem genuinely interested in our opinion. Maybe more significantly, they make it a point to get input from North American sources as well as European.
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11-10-2017, 09:49 AM #156
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11-10-2017, 10:28 AM #157
Name a company that makes touring gear that hasn't had a few notable failures . . .
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11-10-2017, 10:48 AM #158
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11-10-2017, 11:28 AM #159#1 goal this year......stay alive +
DOWN SKIS
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11-10-2017, 01:41 PM #160
That makes sense, and my guess is that the Euro market carries more weight (higher volume sales, right?). No doubt, the design team is dialed in very well to Euro sensibilities, or at least the things they won't object to (crampons).
I look toward an innovative company as being a thought leader - something Dynafit used to do very well. Today, it seems as if half of what they do is change for change's sake - like American cars in the '60's ... add some fins to this year's model, change the tail lights, etc.
The lever is indeed, a nice piece of engineering, and the inner wedge might pave the way for future models having a more progressive flex. Credit where credit is due.
Interesting how he gave them a qualified "pass" on the weight, at least in comparison with brands not named "Dynafit".
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11-10-2017, 01:57 PM #161
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11-10-2017, 02:49 PM #162
For anyone who's interested, there's a new pair of 26.5 Vulcans posted in Gear Swap.
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11-11-2017, 08:02 AM #163
I feel like a lot of other failures and recalls we’ve seen could have resulted in similar consequences. Seems wrong to judge a product’s failure by the actual consequences? And not judge others’ by the potential consequences?
However, I believe there was a PR failure too, in dealing with the result. That is a separate but important matter.
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11-11-2017, 08:19 AM #164
The Salomon toe failure was some middle school science fair level engineering.
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11-11-2017, 10:38 AM #165
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11-11-2017, 12:35 PM #166
Because it won't be sold for a year, I wonder what the chances are that it'll change before it's sold. Flex, last and toe/heel ledge in particular. The possibility remains that it could ski really well as is
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11-11-2017, 01:10 PM #167Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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11-11-2017, 01:30 PM #168
Near misses are valuable lessons. I agree.
But the salomon toe was built for complete and almost immediate catastrophic failure. Which is exactly what happened. Not fit for purpose. The vipec pins were not a great design idea, but they were still fit for purpose with maintenance.Life is not lift served.
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11-11-2017, 01:33 PM #169
And the first Kingpins. But the Vipec issue was, if I recall, one of Fritschi overestimating people's capacity to correctly follow a overly complicated and delicate mounting and adjusting process. And the Kingpin pins fell out because the manufacturing process differed slightly from the way prototypes had been constructed. These are examples of poor judgement, shortsightedness or a lack of thorough real world testing. This sort of problem is pretty common (the F1 EVO walk-mode was similar) although not always as dangerous as having a tow pin fall out. But the Quest inserts were held on by glue.
Glue. That is a different level of fuck up. That is lazy. It shows a profound indifference to safety.
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11-11-2017, 07:06 PM #170
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11-11-2017, 07:17 PM #171Registered User
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We are talking about gear so check your feelings gear at the door
The Salomon tech fitting was so obviously poorly designed when you compare it to a dynafit fitting, big holes where they would only weaken the fitting and no rib to strengthen it, you didnt need to be an engineer to see just how fucking bad the engineering was.... Salomon lost huge credLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-11-2017, 07:22 PM #172Registered User
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11-11-2017, 08:19 PM #173
The fittings were glued in. Raking Salomon over the coals was completely appropriate. Every pair ever made would have failed in short order if they had been skied hard. This would have been an irresponsible release even if they had only been distributed to Salomon athletes.
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11-11-2017, 08:53 PM #174Registered User
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The toe/ heel ledge is a completely new mold since those thicker sections really require a bit of re-engineering in the molds to make sure everything is flowing and cooling at the right rates. Little bit more than just grinding out the molds to add more length. Don't think you'll see those on this boot. MAYBE we'll get them on a future beef version
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11-11-2017, 09:44 PM #175
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