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10-09-2017, 01:09 PM #26
Is there a settled definition of "bikepacking?" It looks alot like what we used to call bicycle touring on dirt roads, e.g., when my bud and I bicycled from Missoula MT to Anchorage AK in 1981 (those roads are mostly paved now). There's also the term "adventure bicycling." What's with the need to rename things? Marketing?
Seems that bicycle selection would depend on the type and condition of terrain/roads/trails one expects to encounter. Whatever the bike, I suggest high spoke count wheels.
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10-09-2017, 01:17 PM #27
The way I classify it more or less is that bikepacking involves direct mounted bags and touring involves panniers. Not always true but that's how I tend to see it from the gear perspective.
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10-09-2017, 01:46 PM #28
Well, lots of road bike tourists use frame or seat mount bags and lots of dirt road/trail bike tourists use panniers.
ETA: Per a quick Google search, I see that some define bikepacking as having lighter payloads than touring. Such bullshit. Fast tourists often have payloads of 10-15 lbs. On my first trans-USA bike trip my payload was 13 lbs. dry, including a tent (shared), sleeping bag/pad, tools, stove/pot/fuel (shared) and clothes. My payload on the trip to from MT to AK was 18 lbs. including spare tires and spare parts (although we sometimes had to carry up to 4 days of food). I've recently seen bike tourists with lightweight touring setups, e.g. road bikes with 10 lb. payloads. Most of the pics of "bikepackers" I've seen look to be carrying heavier payloads than I ever carried on my tours. AFAICT, "bikepacking" is just a new name for touring on a mountain bike, probably more marketing than anything else. Meh
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10-09-2017, 01:50 PM #29Banned
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I want to put frame bags and stuff on my bike and ride whatever I ride now. I would prefer mostly non car accessible places.
That is my definition.
I'm leaning towards a honzo and a cheap old bike for commuting...
And a bikepack BBI would be cool, but only if flying_v comes.
We could also rent out the dollar lot for a weekend and have a galby fest. Then people like pio who are too wimpy to pack in can go.
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10-09-2017, 01:52 PM #30Banned
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Just like this.
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10-09-2017, 01:57 PM #31Banned
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And Steve, I think touring is on roads mostly and bike packing is mostly on places cars can't go.
That's how I define. Right or wrong
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10-09-2017, 02:05 PM #32
Okay, so AFAICT it's touring on a bicycle with flat bars and a suspension fork. If I had that ^ ^ ^ much stuff, I'd go with panniers for better handling. That bike looks like the truck in The Beverly Hillbillies.
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10-09-2017, 02:10 PM #33
This is what a friend of mine rode from the Mexican border to Banff on the Great Divide Trail.
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10-09-2017, 02:11 PM #34Banned
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I would be more inclined to believe that you were cooler than everyone else and that you did everything before and harder than everyone else if you weren't so aggressive and defensive about it.
Maybe someone should make stickers that say Big Steve does it harder.
Did you ride your road bikes and panniers on technical single track? Wait. Don't answer that. Of course you did.
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10-09-2017, 02:13 PM #35
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10-09-2017, 02:15 PM #36Banned
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What bike is that, goldmember?
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10-09-2017, 02:17 PM #37
You are the aggressive one, J, as usual
The bike in the pic posted by Goldmember is a more logical way to pack vs. a big bag tied to the seat. COG
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10-09-2017, 02:18 PM #38Banned
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10-09-2017, 02:20 PM #39
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10-09-2017, 02:22 PM #40
Salsa Mukluk
Here's his list of what he had on the bike:
2012 Salsa Mukluk 2 (large frame)
Upgrades:
Surly OD 175mm crank and bottom bracket (38/22)
45NRTH Husker Du tires
Jones Loop Touring Handlebars
2 Salsa Anything cages
Salsa Alternator rack
Custom upper and lower frame, handlebar and seat bags
Ergon GX1 Grips
Crank Brothers 5050 platform Pedals
Garmin Edge 500 computer
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10-09-2017, 02:24 PM #41
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10-09-2017, 02:27 PM #42
This might be helpful, too. This is his equipment list of what he took on that trip. He rode for about 10 weeks when he did this trip.
Tarptent Double Rainbow
Tyvek footprint
ZPack 850 fill 20 degree bag
4 Cuben Fiber stuff sacks
2 pair cycling shorts
3 Mountain Hardware Wicked Lite shirts (2 long sleeve, 1 short sleeve)
Garmont hiking shoes
Fox Flux Helmet
iPhone 5S
Sony HDR AS100 action camera
Monster isport earbuds
Garmin Edge 500
Bushnell Power Sync Solar Wrap Mini
Stoic Vaporshell jacket and pants
Jetboil sol w/small fuel canister
Smartwool 150 base layer top and bottom
Swiss Army knife
Topeak Alien 2 bike tool
Camelbak Hawg Pack w/3Liter bladder
Rock N Roll Gold chain lube
Thermarest Neoair Xlite sleeping pad
Platypus 2 liter Gravity Works water filter
MSR Dromedary 6 liter water bladder
Camelbak 3 liter water bladder
Surly tube (spare)
Zpack Bear Bag
Zpack toothbrush
Snow peak Titanium Spork
First aid kit
Zip ties
Duct tape
Smart wool socks, 2 pair cycling anklets, 1 pair mid weight hikers
Patagonia nano puff jacket
Timberland convertible pants
Petzl Tikka XP 2 headlamp
Cocoon ultralight air core pillow
Camps Suds
Camp towel
ACA mapset
North Face Windstopper gloves
Giro DND mt bikng gloves
Gore Windstopper skull cap
Baby wipes
Outdoor Research water bottle parka
Chamois butter
Jack Black 45 SPF sun screen
Tifosi Slip sun glasses
Lezyne micro floor HV tire pump
Spot Tracker Gen 3
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10-09-2017, 02:35 PM #43Banned
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See, I don't care about "fast". On the other hand I'm pretty good with technical terrain, my weakness is that I weigh more than is ideal, and probably alway will. I can power up some short steep techincal section better than most of my riding buddies but I can't keep up on the fireroad.
That's kindof what makes me reluctant to go with fat.
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10-09-2017, 02:43 PM #44
I think with a bunch of gear, fat is the way to go. My buddy weighed about 215 at the beginning of that ride and didn't have any issues with climbing. With the terrain, mud, some snow, etc. with all the gear, he felt that he was better off with the fatter tires.
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10-09-2017, 02:48 PM #45
Here's another bike that same guy took on a trip this year. He rode the Baja Peninsula from the CA border to Cabo San Lucas. This bike has a 3" rear and 3.25" front tire and is a 27.5" frame.
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10-09-2017, 02:59 PM #46Banned
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I think most of the fat bikes can run 29+, right?
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10-09-2017, 03:06 PM #47
I really don't know. I think they're mostly, if not all, 26" but I'm not an expert.
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10-09-2017, 03:13 PM #49Banned
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The surly Wednesday is pretty reasonably priced and I think it can.
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10-09-2017, 03:19 PM #50
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