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    Quote Originally Posted by North View Post
    Diving into this thread at my own peril. I've posted my thoughts on athletes/activists who's advertised causes seem to lack honesty in a different CG thread (FFS guys, two CG threads, really?). Now that this has turned into a climate thread I'll say this:

    There are people on the same side of this issue arguing the merits and values of different actions. In some instances, the voices that condemn any individual action as "not good enough" meet or exceed the voices of those who are putting forth an honest effort to affect change. I have no problem with the folks that are honestly TRYING to make a difference, regardless of the impact. I do have a problem with the crowd that spends their energy and efforts pointing out each and every possible flaw in the actions of others, while sitting on the sidelines waiting for the perfect strategy to appear so they can finally act.

    On Athletes as activists:


    I agree that "awareness" campaigns are not a high value proposition. That said, many athletes are doing more than touting awareness, and are giving exposure to actionable ideas. At least in my case, athlete activists have affected my actions in multiple ways:

    1. Listening to Greg Hill talk about reducing meat consumption to 2days/wk caused me to seriously consider changing my diet for the first time. Prior to this I'd convinced myself that I was a "serious" athlete and meals w/o meat were not meals. Now I'm pretty much on the GH program, sometimes more meat/week, sometimes less. I also I think that GH proving that an EV can be a viable option for an outdoor enthusiast will convert some naysayers.

    2. Reading Yvon Chouinard's book introduced me to the idea of more sustainable farming practices and the idea of soil as a carbon sink as a means to affect climate change. Agriculture Tech was not an industry I'd previously considered working in - it is now.

    3. Dakota Jones (runner) is the real deal, and among other inspiring pursuits has recently chosen to earn an engineering degree later in life with the goal of working to develop technologies that benefit the climate. I already have the degree, have worked in "greentech" my entire career, but DJ's decision to invest in an entirely new career path in an attempt to affect change has, in part, motivated me to double down on my existing path with a sharpened sense of commitment.

    Point being, I can only speak for myself, but I think high profile individuals that highlight climate actions can have an impact, and while the scope of that impact is debatable I have no problem with the intent as long as it's honest. No, none of these people "converted" me from climate denier to climate change babbler, but their actions have influenced mine no doubt.
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    Weíre not pro skiers so we should fuck off.

    Any criticism of CGís et alsí actions versus stance is just hate.

    Itís all hopeless so letís just fly helis til the game is over.


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    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    "When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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    ski on in eternal peace

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    ^^^ those any good?
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    Surprisingly so pretty good
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    whoah.......so many good thoughts have emerged in what used to be an absolute shitstain of a thread until codys post. bravo++++
    the economic powers that be have seen fit to sustain their way regardless of any tech advances that could better our world. its not uncommon for world changing revolutionary patents to be bought by a large corp with interests in that field.......and filed away never to be seen again. until that aspect of our capitalist society comes to terms with the importance of change impacting profit........ we are fucked. a massive economic crash more akin to the late 20's then 2003/4 is the only thing that can alter our course. until big money doesnt control world policy i am unfortunately pessimistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimpy View Post
    whoah.......so many good thoughts have emerged in what used to be an absolute shitstain of a thread until codys post. bravo++++
    the economic powers that be have seen fit to sustain their way regardless of any tech advances that could better our world. its not uncommon for world changing revolutionary patents to be bought by a large corp with interests in that field.......and filed away never to be seen again. until that aspect of our capitalist society comes to terms with the importance of change impacting profit........ we are fucked. a massive economic crash more akin to the late 20's then 2003/4 is the only thing that can alter our course. until big money doesnt control world policy i am unfortunately pessimistic
    bitcoin fixes this

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    $75 Billion nightly injections of liquidity by the FED keep it going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik View Post
    I get everything everyone is saying here. Trust me, these talks happen across all levels of this debate. Sure, it's important to cut back where you can and I personally have done my share...I just don't spout about it very often. My meat consumption these days is nearly zero. Everyone of my flights is offset and last year alone I cut my flight distances in half. The project I'm currently doing mainly involves driving and camping. People that care are trying to do stuff and most people are holding those that voice an opinion to a higher standard than those that don't. Say something then get on a snowmobile and you're a piece of shit hypocrite. Fly in helis all season, eat beef three meals a day and drink oil for breakfast but never say anything or be an activist...oh you're cool. Anyways, what I'm saying is, how the fuck are you gonna convince 6 billion people to voluntarily reduce their own carbon footprint for the common good? Last time I checked, the world's economy is revolved around self-interest and we're pretty bad at this common-good thingy.

    So my point is that yeah, self-sacrifice is good, but until there are options for energy, transportation and consumption that are both economically advantageous for the individual and environmentally friendly, nothing is gonna happen...or it'll happen at a lot slower rate than probably necessary.

    As some said here, pro-skiers may just be preaching to the choir and 4/5 Americans think climate change is something to do deal with, but currently, seems like our government and a lot of the world's governments aren't accurately representing their constituents beliefs. Hence, the reason to lobby and try to incite change at the top. To intensify the pace of investment in green technology across all sectors.

    What I'm advocating for is, who gives a fuck what you, I or others do right now because my decision, or your decision, to drive a little less, go vegetarian, not have a kid, ain't gonna do fuck all in the grand scheme of things. It's spitting on a forest fire.
    Respect for this post, solid perspective and the advocacy work and awareness is important. Even if I am on the side that believes the necessary change is going to be extremely hard to achieve, both in the western and developing world, step 1 is getting more people to understand the scope of the problem...

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    I started following her on Instagram. Maybe people hate her because of her voice. Oh, itís annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plugboots View Post
    I started following her on Instagram. Maybe people hate her because of her voice. Oh, it’s annoying.
    You may be onto something. Some people are just more hateable than others no matter what they stand for. People used to hate Mary Lou Retton. I can't stand that fucker Julian Edelman. Every time that little shit catches a touchdown I want to throw something at my TV. My dog, god rest his soul, loved everyone and their dogs but used to hate the German Shepard down the road. As far as I could tell, that GS never did anything to him to warrant the hate.
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    Why all the Caroline Gleich hate?

    Her husband just finished his ride across America, after having done the English Channel and Everest in the past year as well. Absolutely amazing. They keep referring to the projects as raising awareness of gender equality. How exactly does that work?

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    Why all the Caroline Gleich hate?

    I guess this giant thread constitutes awareness ... in some form.

    Also, Iíll be waiting for athlete instagrams to start promoting solar powered electric snowcats, and then we can have our cake and eat it too.

    https://electrek.co/2019/05/15/all-electric-snowcat/

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Her husband just finished his ride across America, after having done the English Channel and Everest in the past year as well. Absolutely amazing. They keep referring to the projects as raising awareness of gender equality. How exactly does that work?
    Careful, you will be labeled a hater for asking such a question.

    However credit where it is due. Riding across the English Channel & Mt Everest is no mean feat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    You may be onto something. Some people are just more hateable than others no matter what they stand for. People used to hate Mary Lou Retton. I can't stand that fucker Julian Edelman. Every time that little shit catches a touchdown I want to throw something at my TV. My dog, god rest his soul, loved everyone and their dogs but used to hate the German Shepard down the road. As far as I could tell, that GS never did anything to him to warrant the hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    However credit where it is due. Riding across the English Channel & Mt Everest is no mean feat.
    With the new lightweight carbon fiber frames for the up and disc brakes for the down it's become less challenging. I remember when tires used to just blow of the rims coming down from Everest with the old V brakes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    That's exactly what I'm talking about.

    Maybe Caroline is just hateable. Like Mary Lou Retton.
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    C'mon, Mary Lou's OK. But that Nadia Comaneci is a real bitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Her husband just finished his ride across America, after having done the English Channel and Everest in the past year as well. Absolutely amazing. They keep referring to the projects as raising awareness of gender equality. How exactly does that work?
    Nothing raises awareness of gender equality like a woman traveling around in support of her husband’s accomplishments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Her husband just finished his ride across America, after having done the English Channel and Everest in the past year as well. Absolutely amazing. They keep referring to the projects as raising awareness of gender equality. How exactly does that work?
    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Nothing raises awareness of gender equality like a woman traveling around in support of her husbandís accomplishments.
    well, now I'm fully aware that both genders in a [hetero] couple can be attention-seeking instagram whores

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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Nothing raises awareness of gender equality like a woman traveling around in support of her husband’s accomplishments.
    Not a CG hater at all, but that was pretty damn funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    You may be onto something. Some people are just more hateable than others no matter what they stand for. People used to hate Mary Lou Retton. I can't stand that fucker Julian Edelman. Every time that little shit catches a touchdown I want to throw something at my TV. My dog, god rest his soul, loved everyone and their dogs but used to hate the German Shepard down the road. As far as I could tell, that GS never did anything to him to warrant the hate.
    Surely there's a pejorative from a pop culture narrative that could be retrofitted onto your deceased canine's dislike. Maybe ethnocentrism towards ze Germans. Or invoke gender bias. You really don't need much these days beyond a shaky premise & facile line of argumentation. The important thing is to fool the morons into rallying behind you. Once that happens it matters little if you have a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromontane View Post
    The important thing is to fool the morons into rallying behind you. Once that happens it matters little if you have a point.
    trying to put my finger on a real world current example of this....

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    Why all the Caroline Gleich hate?

    Pretty funny to see pro skiers all over social media posting about Aspenís Giving A Flake or whatever the new POW campaign is, while theyíre in their 5th city in Europe in the past week after doing movie promos in the States for weeks. I get it, itís all about the job. But itís the optics that look really bad.

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    Only if you look.
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