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  1. #976
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    Quote Originally Posted by telefreewasatch View Post
    …son.
    Dad?!?

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    incest?
    Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
    >>>200 cm Black Bamboo Sidewalled DPS Lotus 120 : Best Skis Ever <<<

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCMtnHound View Post
    ‘Professional’ is based on three items - competence, renumeration, and accountability.
    remuneration?
    When life gives you haters, make haterade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfotex View Post
    remuneration?
    Sure. That’s always welcome too. Counting by itself doesn’t pay the bills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supermoon View Post
    I agree with not calling yourself a pro if you get floated free goggles. The rest of it though, is not so black and white anymore.

    IMO, if a person makes a majority of their money doing a sport I think they are a pro.

    Some of the best skiers I know are ski bums not pros because they either can’t, or don’t want to, market themselves enough to get the sponsorships they would need
    There are still pockets of places where people quietly get shit done and don't spray about it. Those people are probably the ones who sit quietly in the corner while a bunch of bros brag about tagging another guide book masterpiece. That corner is shrinking but you better believe they know more than a few other obscure options that required more than picking up a book at the local Safeway..

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    Quote Originally Posted by telefreewasatch View Post
    Been pondering bout what I meant saying don't lump all athletes together.
    Maybe the place to start is what constitutes a professional athlete.
    In my mind, a professional athlete is sponsored such that their sport is their only job.
    Ya don't get free goggles and get to call yourself a professional athlete.
    Ya don't get to fundraise and such.
    Brand ambassadors and athlete influencers are not professional athletes.
    They are brand ambassadors and athlete influencers.
    Big difference in my mind.
    And when brand ambassadors and professional athletes are lumped together?
    Social media at it's worst.
    At least for me...
    Nailed it
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

  7. #982
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    Per CG’s IG, illness and weather turned her around in her attempt to ski G2.

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    That damn weather and it's micro aggressions towards her cannot be tolerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    What happens after these athletes have some screen time (TGR, etc)? Living the good life off their TGR money and 401k? Back to tending bar and ski bumming?
    I know a film guy or two who has gotten back from their film trip and had to find a new bartending job....
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    formerly an ambassador for a few others, but the ski industry is... interesting.
    Fukt: a very small amount of snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCMtnHound View Post
    ‘Professional’ is based on three items - competence, remuneration, and accountability. Most have some form of the first 2, but most can’t claim the third (and social media by itself isn’t accountability in a true sense IMO)
    This.
    Accountability.
    Professional athletes must have this trait. If they don't have it, they're either at the top of their sport or about to be axed.
    Ya don't get to spew as a sponsored athlete.
    Ya don't get to really defend yourself when attacked, gotta suck it up.
    And have the mind power to sleep well without venting.
    Social media athletes get to say whatever the f they want, and are not accountable.
    Can't lump all athletes together...
    Time spent skiing cannot be deducted from one's life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by telefreewasatch View Post
    This.
    Accountability.
    Professional athletes must have this trait. If they don't have it, they're either at the top of their sport or about to be axed.
    Ya don't get to spew as a sponsored athlete.
    Ya don't get to really defend yourself when attacked, gotta suck it up.
    And have the mind power to sleep well without venting.
    Social media athletes get to say whatever the f they want, and are not accountable.
    Can't lump all athletes together...
    I honestly do not understand what you mean by “accountability” here

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    Quote Originally Posted by telefreewasatch View Post
    I'm a 42 year full time ski patroller, and by definition, a professional skier...
    Nah. Still a pro patroller.
    Difference is the skier is being paid to ski, the patroller is being paid so that others(patrons) can ski

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    Ski patroller is a snow worker, maybe an avalanche professional or a medical professional depending on track. They aren't paid for their skiing; skiing is just a tool for the job.
    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Smile when you pole plant .

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    Skateboarding figured this stuff out a long time ago. Borrowed from Wiki:

    Sponsorship types

    Skate shop sponsorship

    Obligations under the terms of a shop sponsorship vary but are usually light and the rider usually represents the sponsor by wearing branded apparel and by submitting media (videos and photographs) for use in advertising campaigns. Shops commonly employ skateboarders and sponsor their employees. This occurs along with traditional discounts to subsidize pay or as part of an employment agreement.
    Skate shops may sponsor both amateur and professional skateboarders.

    Amateur sponsorship

    Amateur skateboard sponsorship involves the light provision of merchandise and equipment along with the occasional payment of travel and accommodation or living expenses when representing a sponsor in an out of town competition. Amateur skateboarders are not paid to skate and many are too young in any event, as per law.

    Company flow sponsorship

    Flow sponsorship is similar to shop sponsorship in that it generally involves the sponsorship of an individual by a small to medium commercial skateboard company or enterprise. However, flow sponsorship usually involves the provision of free merchandise but the offer is not traditionally consistent or long term. Flow sponsorship is seen as one of the first stepping stones of opportunity which an aspiring professional skateboarder might accept on their journey to become pro. And is often used as an incentive before a skateboarder joins a team whilst they are considering all available offers from interested parties. The trade of goods mostly revolves around featuring in print, online and video based media.

    Professional company individual sponsorship

    Professional sponsorship is sponsorship attached to royalty payments and comes with a regular salary in all but the worst of contract formats. Contracts vary but coverage of living expenses which allow the skateboarder to travel and practice to be able to compete on a full-time basis without the need to work full-time, may be factored in. Healthcare, image rights, bonuses, product design and art work licensing are commonly covered in professional skateboarding contracts. Sponsored skateboarders receive monthly packages of sponsored merchandise and equipment as well as branded clothing and other promotional items which feature the sponsored skater's name or personal logo.

    Professional skateboarders may receive royalty payments collected against products sold by their sponsor(s) which display the skateboarder's name or logo

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    Lyndsey Dyer’s current IG story has some breast feeding vids you won’t want to miss. Now that’s some social media I can get behind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Lyndsey Dyer’s current IG story has some breast feeding vids you won’t want to miss. Now that’s some social media I can get behind!
    Eww. Not her, your commentary on it is kinda creepy.
    I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Eww. Not her, your commentary on it is kinda creepy.
    It was kind of tongue in cheek.

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