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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    If we apply that measure to Gleich, we'd better apply it to ourselves first. We have relatively enormous carbon footprints.
    the system of which she is a part makes $ driving our consumption patterns. the system says we are supposed to follow her lead, if we shouldn't follow their lead, why do we care at all other than as entertainment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    the system of which she is a part makes $ driving our consumption patterns. the system says we are supposed to follow her lead, if we shouldn't, why do we care at all?
    All I'm saying is that because she's a she, she become a target more readily due to misogyny.

    I'm not trying to argue that the eco skiterrati are conveying a mixed message if not outright hypocrisy.

    the system of which they are a part makes $ driving our consumption patterns. the system says we are supposed to follow their lead, if we shouldn't, why do we care at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    All I'm saying is that because she's a she, she become a target more readily due to misogyny.

    I'm not trying to argue that the eco skiterrati are conveying a mixed message if not outright hypocrisy.

    the system of which they are a part makes $ driving our consumption patterns. the system says we are supposed to follow their lead, if we shouldn't, why do we care at all
    As with anything, it's not black & white. CG has a legitimate beef for being the subject of scorn from jealous/resentful dood-losers. And she also is a transparent fraud(1) for choosing to pursue an overtly didactic environmentalist message on social media while not abiding the inherent limitations of such prescriptions in her own personal life. Same goes for almost everyone in the industry, including the virtue thumpers that consume ad nauseam while driving yuge trucks, bragging about 100-day resort seasons, destination mtn. biking, etc. It's all intensive consumption & negates the bullshit narrative "I care, so should you."

    It is even more, much more immoral to claim virtue without fully living with its direct consequences
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    Yes, but where' s the equivalent Jeremy Jones hate if those are the principles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Yes, but where' s the equivalent Jeremy Jones hate if those are the principles?
    Edited to add that while you were typing. It's acknowledged that there's misogyny underlying the delta b/t CG & JJ hate. It's easier to throw stones at CG on here (where she doesn't participate) vs. telling the whole board they're a bunch of frauds (which they generally are). Self-interest of continued hassle-free poasting.

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    There's something about the way I look at life that requires some acceptance of contradiction. Knowing that I'm contributing to AGW, doing dinky little things to compensate, but basically contributing while acknowledging. It's easier to blame than it is to acknowledge.
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    FWIW Jeremy has gotten shit in multiple threads, not just one. This was one for the ages, 5 years on:

    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona13 View Post
    Back to CG: what fraction of the hate starts from this thread? It ain't zero.

    The problem isn't limited to the eco skiterrati, of course, the whole message that we are running out of time is significantly undercut whenever the person saying it seems not to actually believe it enough to act like it. For that matter, it's also undercut when geoengineering is dismissed out of hand since, of course, humans won't take extinction without first trying that. So either we believe the models or we don't and it continues to seem like a lot of the people saying they believe really don't.

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    scoring? really? jeez.specifically for their
    I'm not disagreeing with those principles as long as they're applied in a genderless, or even personless mien.

    I think we agree that CG has been singled out as a function of her gender, despite the fact that she deserves the critique with the rest of the ecorati, especially Hollywood.

    There's JJ, Townsend, MikeD, most of the Sally team, most of whom are guys. I'm sure they get shit too, but do they actually have a thread hip-ocrisy
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    Quote Originally Posted by ####### View Post
    They're not paying for it tho... POW took in $1,711,077 and spent $1,563,885 in 2018.
    Greenwash is expensive.

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    Considering the heliochopter shenanigans arose from a thread bashing doudes, the concern around recent chatter seems to me like reductio ad absurdum. We're in a period of exceptional douchebaggery on all sides of the gender kaleidoscope. So long as the safety & sanity of the influencer in question isn't being threatened this nonsense should register as benign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    scoring? really?
    No. I was just agreeing with...in particular, this:

    If your private life conflicts with your intellectual opinion, it cancels your intellectual ideas, not your private life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Yes, but where' s the equivalent Jeremy Jones hate if those are the principles?
    it's much easier for a man to get a pass to talk about a line on "the brothel" than a woman

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    I can't respond to some alias's pm, so:
    I don't hold much against people posting here.

    It's just that if the principle espoused concerning the hypocrisy of supporting the AGW theory while being a skier has any substance, I'll first hold myself up to that standard rather than point fingers at some obnoxious girl.

    Live internally first, glass houses and all that.

    Yeah, it's a matter of degree and sex, but what I can do starts with me.
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    Oh good lord. One can criticize CG’ choices versus her public stances without it necessarily having misogynist roots.

    All these advertising models/action sports stars who are espousing climate action while jetting around the world and riding in helos are hypocritical at some level.

    ‘YOU, people other than myself, have to make sacrifices to stop global warming’




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    I'm pretty tired of the skiers flying on planes so they're hypocritical argument... not to say I haven't cringed on occasion. But still, that shit is a drop in the bucket and misses the point. Here...

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    Humans are hypocrites, myself included. We all have the right to judge people and I judge people on how they judge other people. In the world of social media, I'm told, eyeballs equal success. Do want you want but I don't have the time for it, I'm too busy taking my single use plastics to the recycling center in my 15mpg super duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    Oh good lord. One can criticize CG’ choices versus her public stances without it necessarily having misogynist roots.

    All these advertising models/action sports stars who are espousing climate action while jetting around the world and riding in helos are hypocritical at some level.
    Yes, of course one can criticize anyone, male or female, without it having misogynistic roots. Except we don't have threads devoted to those other action sports stars and their hypocrisy. Why is that? You're fooling yourself if you don't think it has something to do with her gender.
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    Why all the Caroline Gleich hate?

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    Except we don't have threads devoted to those other action sports stars and their hypocrisy. Why is that?
    Misogyny is real, but there was a thread. It didn’t last long though...





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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    I'm pretty tired of the skiers flying on planes so they're hypocritical argument... not to say I haven't cringed on occasion. But still, that shit is a drop in the bucket and misses the point. Here...

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    This.

    Targeting people who are advocating for change just because they aren’t 1,000% carbon free is just playing into the hands of the polluters who want nothing done.

    No matter how many skiers give up cars and planes, the ONLY way to stop it is through massively deploying governmental resources across the globe, which means politicians need to feel the pressure for their voters. Advocacy, social media, flying to events, and celebrity involvement are big components to that.

    I’m not downplaying individual changes in lifestyle, but if the power grid and all new cars turned renewable, then the rest of it wouldn’t really matter.

    Single use plastics and straws aren’t great, but there is no way a straw in Vail ends up in the ocean. Spending time fighting about that stuff distracts from the bigger battle.


    Maybe once we save the fucking World we can turn on each other and decide who was core enough. Until then I’m going to focus my anger elsewhere.

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    Core’r than you, dude

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    Why all the Caroline Gleich hate?

    She took a helicopter to do some wedding photos! Can we just agree how stupid that was.

    Here's the thing...if you want to espouse environmentalism and carbon reduction and stopping global warming ad nauseum, then you CANT TAKE A HELICOPTER TO DO SOME WEDDING PHOTOS!
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    go upside down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    I'm pretty tired of the skiers flying on planes so they're hypocritical argument... not to say I haven't cringed on occasion. But still, that shit is a drop in the bucket and misses the point. Here...

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    Yeah, but all that means is that the US collectively drives a lot more than it flies. It doesn't mean that for an individual's choices, flying has a smaller footprint than driving.

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    Like, at least rescue a pine marten or something.
    Live Free or Die

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    Like, at least rescue a pine marten or something.
    now that takes dedication. those fuckers are mean. rescuing a pine martin is not just lazy insta-activism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Self Jupiter View Post
    Core’r than you, dude
    Not a high bar

    Quote Originally Posted by RonMexico View Post

    Here's the thing...if you want to espouse environmentalism and carbon reduction and stopping global warming ad nauseum, then you CANT TAKE A FUCKING HELICOPTER TO DO SOME WEDDING PHOTOS!
    I mean, if I could I take a helicopter ride to take photos I would. Maybe it’s bad for the image, but that put less carbon into the air than a day of heli skiing or a flight across country.

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