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08-10-2017, 05:26 PM #1
Robust Touring Rig in the Spirit of the Cast System
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08-10-2017, 05:27 PM #2Registered User
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I'm listening
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08-10-2017, 05:57 PM #3
Hmm, interesting.
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08-10-2017, 09:56 PM #4
So the tyrolia demos can just pop off easily? Would the tech toe be permantely mounted in front of the tyrolia toe? Seems like it would be easy enough to mount the voile risers between the tyrolia toe and heel, as long as there is clearance.
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08-10-2017, 10:18 PM #5
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Yeah. The trick is the toe would slide towards the middle. So it would have to clear the track it hits the Voile puck. Looks like tight clearance for 295 BSL. The longer the BSL the easier it would be. I'll have to cut the track down at the very least. The heel is easy, just slide off backwards.
I think Tyrolia is working on an 9523 compatible demo binding too which opens up new possibilities. Or maybe the next years model that I have been playing with already is? It says AT on it, has a sliding AFD and adjustable height (but by how much?).
The nice part is you can order extra tracks. Use inserts for the touring bits and you're good to go.Last edited by Lindahl; 08-10-2017 at 10:37 PM.
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08-10-2017, 10:26 PM #6
Interesting.
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08-11-2017, 02:48 AM #7Rod9301
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What would be the purpose of a tech toe and an alpine heel?
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08-11-2017, 08:15 AM #8Registered User
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That's not what's being discussed here.
Like the CAST system, the tech toe is for touring only. The difference is it would have a removable heel that you can store in your pack, unlike CAST where the heavy alpine heel piece is permanently on the ski. Also unlike CAST, you have to use plastic, 13-DIN demo binders instead of metal P18.
Personally, I don't see the point—if I'm going to modify my skiing for a 13-DIN plastic binding, I might as well use a Kingpin."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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08-11-2017, 08:30 AM #9
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08-11-2017, 09:40 AM #10Registered User
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"Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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08-11-2017, 09:42 AM #11
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08-11-2017, 12:26 PM #12
You have to admit that it's a fun intellectual exercise - that you never know where these conversations will end up, especially in the dog days of August
Having said that, for my 80% inbounds rig, I'm setting up my drilling pattern for Looks, in anticipation of a transition to CAST.
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08-11-2017, 06:20 PM #13Registered User
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Both. Though, to be fair, it's been while since I've broken a binder (it's also been a while since I skied a plastic binder for more than a day), and I don't always keep my DIN above 13. But I have pre-released from plastic demo binders with the DIN at 13 so I prefer to dial it back a notch on them.
Why do you ask?
For sure.
I'm just saying that I'd take the peace of mind of a P18 over a little weight saved on the ski for the uphill. AFAIK, the Attack doesn't accept a rockered sole so it can't really replace the Kingpin for me. But maybe I'm wrong, and I'll end up giving 'em a shot."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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08-11-2017, 06:24 PM #14
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Because you weigh a lot less than me... just curious what your experiences were. Which bindings?
Next years model, which I have, might. Haven't seen the spec sheet, but I believe its based off the Attack 14 AT which is 9523 cerified. Don't have a 9523 boot at the house at the moment though.
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08-11-2017, 08:13 PM #15
On the Attack 14AT it says AT on the AFD (most open setting). What about your demo binders?
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08-11-2017, 08:19 PM #16
Robust Touring Rig in the Spirit of the Cast System
Same. Says AT. Adjustable and sliding AFD unlike the current model.
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08-11-2017, 08:20 PM #17
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08-11-2017, 08:21 PM #18
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08-11-2017, 09:26 PM #19Registered User
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Not sure I weight a lot less—I'm usually around 165# (nekkid on an empty stomach). You're around 175, right?
Honestly can't recall the exact model of the ones I broke—it was before I started paying attention to gear. I recall breaking two pairs, and my brother broke a pair or two also. Pretty sure at least one pair was Sally and the others were Markers, all standard plastic 12-DIN. I was lighter then, about 155#. My mom uses the heel piece of one as a Christmas tree star.
The demo binders I prereleased from were Marker Griffon demos set to 13. Don't have much experience with the Attack; maybe they're better demo binders."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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08-12-2017, 09:17 AM #20
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08-12-2017, 11:06 AM #21
Robust Touring Rig in the Spirit of the Cast System
The new AT Attack Demos should clear a rockered sole. They clear ZeroGs with a good extra half centimeter.
Voile dual climbing risers won't work. One folds back, one folds forward. Fold back is a deal breaker. There's a few other options where both fold forward (cut down phantom at least, but its $90). I'll probably make my own with off the shelf wire bails and dremel some plastic.
Need to cut down the demo plates too, but other than that, it should work fine for BSLs > 290. Smaller than that might be tricky. Not enough room for the toe to clear the heel riser mount when removing.
You'll have more tail when kick turning - something to keep in mind.
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08-12-2017, 03:18 PM #22Registered User
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This is all from memory when I messed around with them a few mos. ago but I thought the best way to deal with the heels was to keep them on and band the brake arms. Then you can move them back on the rail for flat or move them up and put down the heel pivot for a low elevator. That would need to be done by moving the heels on the track. So it's not an on the fly or elegant solution.
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08-12-2017, 03:22 PM #23Registered User
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Even the toe plate isn't super easy. If you had inserts with dynafit toes you would need to rest them above the toe rails. I thought HDPE cut into the rails with the dynafit toes screwed in with a cotter pin in the back of the rails. Again - only a thought experiment and only did it because I bought skis with those bindings and started thinking when I saw the toe and heel both were removed easily.
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08-13-2017, 09:57 AM #24
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You cut down the plates - both heel and toe. Then they aren't in the way.
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08-13-2017, 02:52 PM #25Registered User
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I see where you were going further up in the thread now. Makes sense.
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