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08-30-2017, 12:32 PM #26Registered User
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35-45 L touring pack under 1 KG - does it exist?
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08-30-2017, 03:45 PM #27Registered User
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WOW count me in on this one. I like the Alpha FL 45 so much for alpine climbing but for carrying skis it is really far from ideal. I would love to see the suspension of the Voltaire on it. By far the most comfortable for my fit on any pack ever carried by me.
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09-07-2017, 01:49 PM #28
Recommended Tailor?
I'm thinking of adding some loops for a probe and shovel handle, and maybe a sleeve or guide for the shovel blade in a Patagonia Ascensionist 25L. You think any good local tailor could handle the job?
Also, planning on strapping the skis to the back of the pack vertically, not a-frame. Bad idea?
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09-07-2017, 03:00 PM #29
The only major issue/s you run into with vertical vs a-frame carry is that the load tends to be less balanced for long carries. Not a big deal for short booters, but if you're hauling a lot of gear and climbing long and steep or technical stuff, the displacement from a vertical or diagonal carry can get uncomfortable and unwieldy.
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09-07-2017, 04:22 PM #30Registered User
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Used Ascensionist 25 for two seasons as a main day pack for touring, also added simple sleeves for shovel handle and probe (found loops very inconvenient if you have to reinsert the probe/handle into the pack full of stuff) and use shovel blade as back structure of the pack, actually k2.rescue.shovel blade fits perfectly for that purpose, just add some bungee loop to lock the blade from diving down to the bottom of the pack. Locked blade (close to the back) and probe/handle (on the sides of the pack) create pretty good structure and stay calm even if skiing with empty pack.
Tried diff ski carring mods, and A-frame was the worst for Ascensionist. For skis+boots.in.the.bindings - vertical/diagonal on the facade of the pack. For skis only - skimo style shoulder hook and loop works the best. YMMV e.g. for lighter skis setup.
(Will add some pics later)
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09-08-2017, 06:56 AM #31
Thanks for the tip. I've never tried vertical carry. I was a late convert to diagonal carry and couldn't believe how much more comfortable it was than A-frame. In moving from a 35L to a 25L, the pack will be stuffed to the gills, and, I'm hoping, help keep the skis from swinging. Only one way to find out.
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09-08-2017, 07:00 AM #32
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09-11-2017, 06:19 AM #33Registered User
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Patagonia Ascensionist 25 ski mod
Sleeves for shovel handle and probe.
(pics of the pack turned inside out)
For material I would recommend something burly and PU coated to protect stuff from sharp metal edges and moisture
(but pretty lightweight fabric works + duck tape and seamgrip for every other hole).
Also be sure to keep probe/handle "suspended" in the sleeves and not touching the bottom of the pack
as they prone to rub and tear lightweight Ascensionist fabric.
All the stitching is simple but placed on the existing seams contour.
For shovel blade - bungee cord and some retrofitted old backpack belt plastic thing anchored at the top of the back panel (and cut of rope sheath to protect bungee from metal edge). Hard to explain but you can see it on the pictures.
That way the shovel blade sits tight, do not dive deep into the pack and pretty easy to remove and insert with fully loaded pack
(the remaining problem is the lack of snow and moisture protection of the internals). Also it creates hard structure to the pack and
kind of back protection, at least protect from the hard and uneven pieces in your pack.
But not sure how it will work with other shapes of the shovel blade.
"Ski-mo" ski carrying system.
Anchor it to the waist belt, close to your body and (not on the pack's facade),
that way skis sit better with empty/loosely stuffed pack.
With tight fully stuffed pack the anchor loop on the facade panel works OK.
Also found pretty good use for old BCA Alpine Trekkers ankle straps, that fit nicely (same color!)
for rope, A-framed skis, or just-in-case compression, etc.
The same thing works with Exped Serac (and definitely will work with Exped Black Ice and Arcteryx Alpha FL 45).
Last edited by Va Ki Bo; 09-11-2017 at 07:17 AM.
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09-11-2017, 12:29 PM #34
Awesome! What did you make the hook from?
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09-11-2017, 01:59 PM #35
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09-11-2017, 02:29 PM #36Registered User
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Metal wire (steel I think), not too stiff but there is no need for very stiff hook actually, the main load is on the bottom loop.
Just used this photo as a template (don't remember exact link)
Weighted just right now, 615 g total (including everything for shovel/probe, ski hook/loop and Alpine Trekker straps).
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09-12-2017, 06:55 AM #37Registered User
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I got all interested and googled around a bit -> here is the link: http://www.skintrack.com/gear-tech/h...ok-attachment/
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09-14-2017, 11:09 AM #38Registered User
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In case anyone was interested, I tallied up the stated weights of the 30-45L skiing and alpine climbing packs that are under (or close to) 1 kg. I know its not super helpful as a lot of packs (the Ascensionist, HMG) strip down a bit, but thought I’d put it here to compare. Feel free to add to this list! All weights in grams.
Arcteryx FL 30 (technically 23L) - 575
Arcteryx FL 45 - 650
Exped Black Ice 30 - 670
Patagonia Ascensionist 30 - 700
Exped Serac 25 (included because it probably gets to 30) - 720
Exped Black Ice 45 - 740
Exped Serac 35 - 771
Exped Serac 45 - 810
Dynafit RC 35 - 825
BD Cirque 30 - 830
Patagonia Ascensionist 40 - 878
Patagonia Descensionist 40 - 947
Hyperlite Mountain Gear Ice Pack 2400 (40L) - 958
Salomon X-Alp 30 - 1000
BD Cirque 35 - 1030
BD Cirque 45 - 1060
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09-14-2017, 11:36 AM #39Registered User
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09-14-2017, 11:41 AM #40
Here's what I have, sorted by weight/size.
Piece Maker Model Size Weight/Size Weight oz Weight gm Price Packs Dynafit RC 20 DNA 20 12.00 8.47 240 $100.00 Dynafit RC 28 28 17.50 17.28 490 $139.95 Exped Serac 45 18.02 28.60 811 $198.95 Camp X3 600 30 21.33 22.60 640 $119.95 Free Range Raven 25 21.56 19.00 539 $184.00 Hyperlight 2400 Porter 40 21.63 30.51 865 $300.00 Patagonia Asensionist 40 21.95 31.00 878 $179.00 Exped Serac 35 22.03 27.20 771 $189.00 Alpine Threadworks Selkirk Light 35 22.14 27.30 775 $200.00 Alpine Threadworks Selkirk Large 47 22.98 38.10 1080 $320.00 Patagonia Asensionist 30 23.33 24.70 700 $149.00 Dynafit RC 35 35 23.57 29.10 825 $140.00 Patagonia Descensionist 40 40 23.68 33.40 947 $199.00 Camp X3 Backdoor 30 25.03 26.49 751 $160.00 Patagonia Asensionist 35 25.91 32.00 907 $149.00 Alpine Threadworks Selkirk Std 37 27.57 35.98 1020 $300.00 Salomon X Alp 30 30 28.47 30.12 854 $175.00 Ortovox Ascent Tour 32 32 28.75 32.45 920 $160.00 Exped Serac 25 28.80 25.40 720 $178.95 BD Cirque 35 29.43 36.33 1030 $199.95 Dynafit Cho Oyu 35 30.26 37.40 1059 $179.00 Ortovox Tour Rider 30 30.67 32.45 920 $130.00 Cilogear 40Z (w/o frame & pad) 41 31.22 45.15 1280 $285.00 Cilogear 30Z 30 32.53 34.43 976 $189.00 Salomon QST 35 35 36.49 45.04 1277 $200.00 Patagonia Snowdrifter 30 30 36.87 39.01 1106 $169.00 Dynafit Chugach 32 32 38.75 43.70 1240 $189.95 Arcteryx Khamski 38 41.05 55.03 1560 $259.00 Salomon QST 30 30 41.33 43.74 1240 $175.00 Ortovox Haute Route 32 41.88 47.27 1340 $170.00 Patagonia Snowdrifter 40 40 45.35 64.00 1814 $199.00 Cilogear 40Z 40 45.75 64.55 1830 $285.00 Patagonia Snowdrifter 20 20 47.60 33.60 952 $129.00 Arcteryx Khamski 31 48.39 52.91 1500 $239.00 Ortovox Free Rider 26 L 26 53.46 49.03 1390 $200.00 Cilogear 3030Z #DIV/0! 0.00 $219.00
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09-14-2017, 11:45 AM #41
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09-20-2017, 07:53 AM #43Registered User
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09-20-2017, 10:46 AM #44
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09-22-2017, 12:21 PM #46
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09-22-2017, 09:40 PM #47Registered User
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I used ~4mm bungee so 3/16 or 1/4 would be enough.
Though 1/8 will work too I think, esp for short and skinny sticks (used mine with 186Lhasas+RadicalFTs)
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10-06-2017, 11:25 AM #48
Stainless steel
Thanks VKB, for your advice and great photos. Here's what I ended up with:
I bought 12' of 1/8" stainless steel bar for $10.00 and 10' of 3/16" bungee cord for $6.29. A friend lent me his vise and torch, and experience. (Although a complete torch kit with fuel, fuel cylinder, torch and auto lighter is here for only $30.)
Process:
measure the full length bar to ~40 cm (we used--roughly--dimensions from the hook in my Dynafit pack and those listed at Skintrack.)
place a bolt in the vise to use as an anvil / guide (think we used 1/2")
mark the middle of the stainless bar with a sharpie
heat the middle
wrap around the bolt at middle
bend so that sides are parallel
wait for it to cool
measure the length and mark
heat and bend to 90 degrees
wait for it to cool
measure the hook length and mark
heat and bend to 90 degrees
wait for it to cool
My friend then heated, bent and welded the ends to close the loop. Next time, without his equipment or skill, I'll just bend the ends into each other and tape. Not as trick but that whole end will eventually be taped over anyways. He also insisted on the subtle bend at the nose of the hook to ease latching. I wished I'd taken a photo, but it he heated the nose and lightly bent it by wedging it into an open vise and pulling up on the opposite side.
I attached the hook to the bungee with a bowline (open to suggestions for better knots) and then attached the other end of the bungee to the daisy chain on the shoulder strap with another bowline.
I'll trim the ends and tape. Pretty low-tech, but I think it'll go.
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10-06-2017, 12:47 PM #49
Bow lines hold notoriously badly in shock cord. Might be best to change it!
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10-06-2017, 01:41 PM #50
I have loops of shock cord on my TLT6s to clip leashes to, which are tied with bowlines. Tied them 1.5 years ago and then globbed some Shoe Goo on there; still going strong.
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