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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by skibrd View Post
    I know 189 isn't that short, but it's a mental game. I tried a few pairs of a buddies ON3P's that were around 189 and couldn't get myself to sending it. I hopped back on my 194 Kastles and was off like a bat out of hell.
    Might be partly mental!
    One thing to consider is actual vs stated length. ON3P sizing is post pressing where most measure material length(pre-pressing)
    Here's what I meanClick image for larger version. 

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    195 Praxis PB's-191 ON3P C&D-196 4frnt Ren-191 ON3P Caylor
    Here's the Caylor next to a 193 Head Monster iM103Click image for larger version. 

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  2. #102
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    2017 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tuco View Post
    Might be partly mental!
    One thing to consider is actual vs stated length. ON3P sizing is post pressing where most measure material length(pre-pressing)
    Here's what I meanClick image for larger version. 

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    195 Praxis PB's-191 ON3P C&D-196 4frnt Ren-191 ON3P Caylor
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    It's all mental. Ski companies all measure their skis differently and no two skis are identical. Last time I picked up a pair of 187 Blizzard Bonafides I stood 4 pairs next to either other and all 4 pairs were different lengths by a cm or two. I'm finally over the East Coast mentality that any ski that doesn't have 2 sheets of metal in it and razor sharp edges is crap, only took 4 years of living in CO/WY. I might get there with the 189 RXs, I just keep having flash backs to how stable the 203 Shiros are at speed. The best analogy I can come up with is they are like bringing a Baja 500 off-road truck to drive around a potholed country road. I didn't notice anything, no one else's tracks, no roll overs, no drops, they just cruised. Usually I get bounced pretty hard going from untouched patch to untouched patch, across other people's tracks, not with the big Shiros, it was just smooth. But these won't replace them, they will compliment them when it's not deep enough to bring the big boys out. Ahhhh decisions...


    I emailed Keith to see if there is a 194 mold for the RX (which I doubt but heck, it's worth a shot) and about my reservations for the 189 RX. The more I read about the Q, the more intrigued I am. When I hear back from Keith I'll try to make a decision, or try to.

    I also got a line on a brand new undrilled pair of 193 Shiros, which the RX or Q's were to replace. If I can get the Shiros for the price I'm seeing, I'm going in that direction.

    I do need a 190ish pair of touring skis to replace my Scouts. I'm sure the mad scientists at Praxis have something or can come up with something, maybe a skinny carbon veneer RX?
    Last edited by skibrd; 08-13-2017 at 11:45 AM.

  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undertow View Post
    So what are we getting boyz...? Jealous minds would like to know...

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    Protests and congrats...! I am a huge fan of the Screaming Bear topsheet...

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    2017 Praxis Skis Info and Resource Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Kopi_Red View Post
    So, 196? Or did you go 192 so you can mount back 2cm this time?

    Those are sexy AF!

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    They look better in person than they do in the picture. Went 196 this time.

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    Right on

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    Hmmm, may have to talk you into letting me try.

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    Hold em tight, Kopi, the hoard is after you

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    I'm looking forward to winter. Picking up some used Billy Goats and these new Protest's has really given me the itch that only skiing can scratch...

  11. #111
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    Sounds like I'm going to have to get the drill out

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    you could always teach kopi how to mount
    so if he gets a girlfriend, he can do her right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    you could always teach kopi how to mount
    so if he gets a girlfriend, he can do her right.
    Why would I do that? He pays me for my services with a bottle of scotch on occasion. And I get to play with skis. I like that deal. Besides, I'm pretty sure he knows how his pecker works. Give him a break.

  14. #114
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    I've drilled, tapped and mounted my own skis before. I prefer to go over to NWS's gear room, hangout and drink some (a lot of) fine single malt whisky while he mounts the bindings. Then I tune and wax the skis afterward.

    Last edited by Kopi_Red; 08-15-2017 at 10:03 PM.

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    Who has codes? Keith made me an offer I can't refuse and I'm taking the plunge this afternoon on a pair of +10 195 Freerides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibrd View Post
    Who has codes? Keith made me an offer I can't refuse and I'm taking the plunge this afternoon on a pair of +10 195 Freerides.
    Sent you a code skibrd...

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    On Keith's suggestion I'm going stiffness 4, core is going to be Enduro with carbon, and a veneer top sheet. Not crazy stuff and heavy, but should have more then enough backbone for my height, weight and skiing style.

    Is the hardest part picking a top sheet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibrd View Post
    Who has codes? Keith made me an offer I can't refuse and I'm taking the plunge this afternoon on a pair of +10 195 Freerides.
    ...dude...dare I ask what layup and how stiff? Sounds like a full on missile. Congrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibrd View Post
    Who has codes? Keith made me an offer I can't refuse and I'm taking the plunge this afternoon on a pair of +10 195 Freerides.
    Quote Originally Posted by skibrd View Post
    On Keith's suggestion I'm going stiffness 4, core is going to be Enduro with carbon, and a veneer top sheet. Not crazy stuff and heavy, but should have more then enough backbone for my height, weight and skiing style.

    Is the hardest part picking a top sheet?
    cool the enduro carbon build is actually really friendly. Make sure to post a review, I am pretty sure those are one of a kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shu Shu View Post
    Cool the enduro carbon build is actually is really friendly. Make sure to put a review I am pretty sure those are one of a kind.
    If I want a demanding ski I grab my 194 Kastle MX 98s, and my goal for the Freerides is something for when the 203 Shiros or 196 Protests are over kill, and the Kastles are not enough. Keith did say he has built a few pairs of 195 +10 Freerides.

    I will! Hopefully I can get home in early Nov and we can start skiing right away.

    Done

    Freeride Custom
    (Length (CM): 194,
    Ski Flex: # 4
    Width Adjustment: + 10 mm Fatter
    Topsheet Graphic Art: Max
    Base Graphic : American Flag Dye Sub
    Wood Veneer: Cherry
    Core Options: Enduro w/Carbon
    Last edited by skibrd; 08-16-2017 at 03:45 AM.

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    Those sound like beasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skibrd View Post
    If I want a demanding ski I grab my 194 Kastle MX 98s, and my goal for the Freerides is something for when the 203 Shiros or 196 Protests are over kill, and the Kastles are not enough. Keith did say he has built a few pairs of 195 +10 Freerides.

    I will! Hopefully I can get home in early Nov and we can start skiing right away.

    Done

    Freeride Custom
    (Length (CM): 194,
    Ski Flex: # 4
    Width Adjustment: + 10 mm Fatter
    Topsheet Graphic Art: Max
    Base Graphic : American Flag Dye Sub
    Wood Veneer: Cherry
    Core Options: Enduro w/Carbon
    These = 117 underfoor, Shiros = 119???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    These = 117 underfoor, Shiros = 119???
    Freeride = tip rocker, 150cm of camber up to 7mm.

    Shiro = full rocker, 0 camber.

    I imagine they'd ski pretty different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    Freeride = tip rocker, 150cm of camber up to 7mm.

    Shiro = full rocker, 0 camber.

    I imagine they'd ski pretty different.
    The Freerides will be very different, but the goal is for them to be right between 194 Kastle MX 98s and 196 Protests, well maybe closer to the Protests then the Kastles, enough tip rocker to get them to float when I find the goods, enough camber for non-optimal conditions.

    I wanted a longer RX, and since it doesn't exist, Keith suggested going +10mm on the 195 Freerides. The feel and ease of the Protests is what sold me on Praxis over Blizzard or Volkls offerings in the 108-118 waist range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    Freeride = tip rocker, 150cm of camber up to 7mm.

    Shiro = full rocker, 0 camber.

    I imagine they'd ski pretty different.
    Right, but they're both pretty much pow skis and occupy the same place in the quiver. Sounds like they're sort of replacing the Shiros.

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